(maybe a tough) Treble bleed question

Mertay

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I just analyzed my recording of an ibanez type treble bleed mode, when the ceramic 0.33uF cap. is connected it decreases right after 1khz (high shelve like) as much as -3db. This is of course without turning the volume pot down.

Question is if I use a 0.15 cap. instead, from what freq. will it start to decrease?
 
Re: (maybe a tough) Treble bleed question

What method are you using? Cap in parallel with the volume pot input and output lugs? (It shouldn't be affecting anything when the volume is on 10) Also, you are orders of magnitude too high, the typical treble bleed cap is like 680pF (.00068uF).
 
Re: (maybe a tough) Treble bleed question

I decided to go to my luthier this week, probably its possible to engage/disengage the cap. with a push/pull pot then I'll hear for myself (or record for you guys) better to musically understand what I'm hearing instead of analyzing d.i. signals. Thanks for the reply though :)
 
Re: (maybe a tough) Treble bleed question

If the guitar came with a treble bleed capacitor it is most unlikely to be a 330 nanoFarad (=0.33 microFarads) cap, but rather a 330 picoFarad cap as shown in the Ibanez diagram in the linked article. If it is a 330 pF cap it should not have a 1 kHz 3dB cut-off.

Play the guitar through your amp, clean channel, no gain, EQ all set to 12 o'clock. 1kHz is about the 20th fret on the high E string. Do the notes around there or higher sound normal or dull? If dull your guitar circuitry needs fixing or use a shorter lead. If normal there's something wrong with your DI recording setup. Long leads (20 foot) and cheap leads lose treble because of their extra capacitance, or there may be a dodgy connection or a hidden EQ value got set low in the mixer or recorder.

In the linked article, the Kinman circuit is a series treble bleed circuit and the Seymour Duncan circuit is a parallel treble bleed circuit. The Ibanez circuit is just a Kinman circuit with a zero value series resistor. It is trivial to combine the two and you may get better results, more manageable highs, that way.

You can test the resistor combinations by using trim pots. These are little potentiometers usually mounted on a circuit board and adjusted using a small screwdriver. I would use a 250 kOhms pot instead of the series resistor and a 1 megOhm pot for the parallel one, with a 330 pF capacitor. A smaller cap (220 pF) would let less treble through and a larger cap (470 pF) would allow more through. For starting trim pot values I would try 60 kO for the series pot and 750 kO for the parallel pot, and do not set the parallel pot to zero otherwise the volume control will be ineffective.

Hope this helps,
Chris..
 
Re: (maybe a tough) Treble bleed question

I just analyzed my recording of an ibanez type treble bleed mode, when the ceramic 0.33uF cap. is connected it decreases right after 1khz (high shelve like) as much as -3db. This is of course without turning the volume pot down.

Question is if I use a 0.15 cap. instead, from what freq. will it start to decrease?

Ibanez uses 330pf caps which are equivalent to .00033uf, not .33uf.
 
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