Mesa 5:25 review

phil_104

Cheesesteakologist
Mesa Boogie Express 5:25 1x10 combo

I’ve had this combo since august, and have brought it to a few gigs, and now feel confident enough that the honeymoon phase is over to review it. I was amp searching pretty hard before this amp, going from a peavey windsor, to a marshall JCM, to a fender blues deluxe, to a traynor YCV40, and finally to the Mesa that was everything I wanted. I would just like to share a little about this amp with you guys.

First of all, the amp itself is a 1x10’’ combo, with a black shaddow speaker in it, typical of mesa. It is covered in nice black taurus tolex, and wellf finished in black with accents of cream, giving it that traditional not-so-modern look. The speaker itself took about 2 months to break in nicely. The amp itself has 2 EL-84 Power tubes, producing 25watts, and 5 12AX7 preamp tubes. The big difference betweent he 5:50 and 5:25 is that the 50 watt version runs on 6L6 power tubes. I decided to go with the 25 for 2 reasons ; because of the reduced weight and portability (the 50w is not offered with a single 10inch), and because I wanted that classic EL tube sound. The two models sound great, but it’s a question of personnal taste.

A feature that really sold me to this amp was the 5 watt switch, that activates just 1 power tube in class A mode, dropping the amp to 5 watts total. This of course means nice full distortion at home compatible levels. This also means that you have a choice between A class and AB class for the studio. Switching between the two will affect the overall tone of the amp, and change the sound of the channels, and the modes in the channels.

The amp has 2 channels, both with 2 modes. The first channel is switchable between clean and crunch. Clean will give you that glassy nice shimering tone, but retains the more british flavour of the EL power tubes. Although the cleans are great, and are my personnal favorites, they will not quite go into fender territory (I had a blues deluxe as my main amp for a year, and the cleans are different). The crunch channel is very nice, almost reminicent of very, very early days marshall tones, Kinda Billy Gibbons style on Sharp dressed man.

The second channel is split between 2 more modes ; blues and burn. Blues will give you dirty delta blues cleans, that break up when you start playing with heavier picking. Being a big blues player, this was a feature I really dug. The burn channel is a monster. Capable of doing anything from vintage Santana tones up to Black Sabbath’s first album distortions, up to modern high gain stuff, it has it on tap. The natural harmonix coming from this amp are also very nice, and very natural sounding.

The amp also has 2 independent reverb knobs for each channels. The reverb is nice and organic, but not as ‘deep’ as on fender models. Still, it would be very usable in live situations, and does indeed sound very nice. The best way to describe it would be that it is very much like a ‘hall’ reverb, instead of a liquid shifting one.

The most usefull knob on the entire amp, in my opinion, is the contour knob. Each channel has one, and they are activated by footswitch. This knob accentuates certain frequencies and dynamics of your sound, a little like a tone knob on steroids. It also seems to add a bit of an EQ boost as you turn it up. This is a great option, as it really gives the amp a dynamic, full, present feel. Channel switching, contour and reverb can be activated via a footswitch.

As most Mesa players will tell you, this amp takes time to dial in. It took me a good solid 2 weeks to get it exactly where I wanted my sound to be. This, in retrospect after the innitial frustration has passed, is a good thing, as the EQ on the amp, and all the other knobs, are very responsive, giving you a sound that is easy to shape.

The amp also comes with a effects loop, and different out jacks for extension speaker cabs. I intend on grabbing a 2x12 to pair up with this little monster. It’s loud enough to jam with a drummer already, but the 2x12 will make it even more stage worthy.
 
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Now, for the stronger points, and the weaker points :

Strong points :
- Very versitile amp.
- 5-25 swtich is a blessing
- Sounds bigger than a 1x10 combo, but is small and super easy to carry
- Traditional Mesa sound is present, but will do marshall as well as the marshalls I have played

Weak points :
- Cleans could be better, but that is probably because I picked the moddel with EL tubes. The 50 watt version with 6L6s would probably go into fender territory.
- As with all Mesa amps, it is not fun to figure out how to dial it in.
- The front pannel is a bit busy, making it difficult to change settings in a dark stage setting.

Overall impression :

I LOVE this amp. They run between 1300-1500$ new around these parts. It is very well built, like all other mesa amps I have seen. The key with this amp, and a first with mesa amps as far as I am concerned, is how versitile this little thing is. In my band’s cover set, we do everything from ultra cleans, to delta blues, to classic rock, to full out metal. This thing keeps up with the best of em.

Another thing I really like is the big volume of such a small amp. The 25 watts is suprisingly loud, and will keep up easily with the heavier handed drummers out there. Any bigger venue would require a PA anyways. For those who would want more power without the PA, the array of both two 4 ohms jacks, and a 8 ohms extension jack, makes adding cabs easy and makes the possibilities various.

For the price, I have no seen another amp that would do as well at home and on stage as this one. It also takes pedals very well. The fact that the express line also has many models ( 5:25 with 1x10, or 1x12…or 5:50 with 1x12, or 2x12…or both in head versions), makes it easy for almost anyone who would want different options. Not just senseless variations, the 10 inch combos do sound different than the 12, and the difference in tubes really makes it even more diversified.

Go out and try these little beasts, but spend time with them to find the sweet spot. With so many options, and such a array of options on the amp itself, combined with a very tweekable sound, there is something for everyone in these little amps.

Thanks for reading, and I know I am not 2 good at explaining things about gear, so if you have any specific questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Phil
 
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Great review, Phil. I played both the 5:25 and 5:50 side by side in GC and couldn't decide which one I liked best. Those EL84's in Class A/B are really tempting, especially since I already have a Peavey running 6L6s.

Where are your gain/volume knobs set when you're playing in a band setting in 25 watt mode?
 
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Great review, Phil. I played both the 5:25 and 5:50 side by side in GC and couldn't decide which one I liked best. Those EL84's in Class A/B are really tempting, especially since I already have a Peavey running 6L6s.

Where are your gain/volume knobs set when you're playing in a band setting in 25 watt mode?

It really depends on which channel and what sound I want. ( I'll be using the clock reference for the knob settings)

Clean : G= 10-12 V = 3-4

Crunch, to get that nice classic rock Led Zeppelin sound : G= 2-3 V= 2-3
Crunch, for a more conservative rhythm tone : G= 11-1 V= 2-4

Blues, for clean sound with minimal breakup : G= 10-12 V= 3-4
Blues, for a good amount of dirty, and nice crunch : G= 2-4 V-1-2

Burn, for the Black Magic Woman tone : G = 11-12 V= 3-4
Burn for Black Sabbath tone : G= 1-2 V= 3-4
Burn for Metallica, and other very heavy stuff : G= 3-5 V= 3-4

Please keep in mind that all volume settings mentioned are not the minimum requirements to play with a drummer. Heck, cranked, you could play the 5w with a drummer if you wanted. These settings were used, with a single 10 inch driver, to play school cafeteria filled with about 200 people, with a drummer.

What I'm trying to say is, when cranked, it's loud, but not stadium loud. I still want to add a 2x12 to mine, just for fun :).
 
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So how versatile is the heavier tones Does it nail them well or is it a lame attempt of it?

Thanks for the review man. I like me$a gear... Just not in the budget.

It's actually not a lame attempt at them. It's not recto territory in any way, and isn't advertised as that, but it is a very solid heavy distortion. What people don't know often is that the Express what actually the reason why the F-series was discontinued. It is, in a way, an improved version of that line.

The best way to describe the heavy distortion would be ''vintage mesa'', if that makes any sense. Not like the recto sound, but old school mesa heavy.

In the 5w mode, it is very warm, but sometimes muddy. In 25 watt mode, it is more defined and in your face. Then again, the contour knob tweaks it to anything you would want.
 
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nice review
thanks for that

did you compare the 10" to the 12" 5:25 ? ... i compared a lone star special 12" to the 5:25 10" and the 5:25 was just too small and boxey to my ears .. i wanted to like it more, but couldnt ... never got back there to see if they have a 5:25 12" to compare the LSS to ... the LSS was sure one sweet amp - heavy little beast though - cleans to die for

t4d
 
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This is a really bad time to post a positive review of the 5:25 ... there's a used one at my local L&M that stares at me every time I go in there.

I tried a 1x12 5:50 when I was looking for amps, and really did not like it - gain was too fizzy, and the 5 watt mode was not quiet enough for apartment levels. The 1x10 5:25 is almost a completely different amp though. I love EL84 amps in general. I had a 4xEL84 Mesa DC-3 combo, and it was a killer amp.

I can't use my Stiletto at home or at small venues, so I may need to pick up one of these someday.
 
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Just to underscore the point, not to derail the thread, anyone who scoffs at low-wattage amps should heed Matt's above observation.

Absolutely, and it goes to show that the wattage rating is only one factor in volume. The Fender Champion 600 is also a 5 watt amp, and the 5:50 easily overpowers it. The 5:25 probably would too.
 
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nice review
thanks for that

did you compare the 10" to the 12" 5:25 ? ... i compared a lone star special 12" to the 5:25 10" and the 5:25 was just too small and boxey to my ears .. i wanted to like it more, but couldnt ... never got back there to see if they have a 5:25 12" to compare the LSS to ... the LSS was sure one sweet amp - heavy little beast though - cleans to die for

t4d

I did compare both. The 1x10 sounded boxey and contained originally, for about 2 month, until the speaker got broken in, then, there was no issue at all. The 1x12 that was there was already broken in, as it had been on the floor for a couple of months. Both were 5:25 models.

The big difference to me is that although you might lose a little big of the ''big'' sound factor, but it seems like the 1x10 was more focused, if that makes any sense.

I had 2 reasons for getting the 1x10 :

- Much smaller, much lighter. I wanted something practical I could bring.
- The 1x10 gave me that single 10 combo sound I dig, and I figured that if I wanted a bigger sound, it's easier to add a 2x12 cab, than to take a 1x12 combo and plug into a 1x10 cab.

I know it doesn't sound logical to most people, but the 1x10 does have a distinct sound, and after going to the store for about 2 weeks, it just had a different character.

I think that's the trick with this amp line. They have the same features, but very different characters. You have to try them to find out. My goal with this review was to provide basic knowledge, and then answer more specific questions. If you have more, keep em coming, and I'll answer as best as I can.
 
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Absolutely, and it goes to show that the wattage rating is only one factor in volume. The Fender Champion 600 is also a 5 watt amp, and the 5:50 easily overpowers it. The 5:25 probably would too.

I'm so happy that you guys brought this up. I live in an apartment, and I love tube distortion. The 50 watt version of the express seemed to be four times as loud on 5w compared to the 25. And even within the 25 watt version, the 1x12 seemed twice as loud as the 1x10 when on 5w.

That is yet another reason that I bought the 1x10 : it's easier to add a cab to get volume than to take away, as stated in my previous post.
 
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thanks phil - makes perfect sense, especially the bit about the speaker breaking in

glad you are happy with your tone ... enjoy!

cheers
t4d


ps - the LSS, in 5 w mode, was, IMO, apt friendly with killer tone ... it also turned up pretty dang loud, even in 5 w mode
 
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ps - the LSS, in 5 w mode, was, IMO, apt friendly with killer tone ... it also turned up pretty dang loud, even in 5 w mode

Man, the LSS is a killer amp! I had played one in advance and thought it was a great amp. One of the big factors also in my purchase of the express was the fact that with connections, I was able to get it new for 1099$. That's why I think for the price, it's the best amp I could of had.

Speaking of the loud 5w mode, I don't want you folks to think you need to have it in 25w to jam! First time I jammed with my buddies, I had forgotten it on 5w, and on the blues channel, I got some crazy vintage marshall like tones, Hendrix style with my strat, and the 5w was loud enough with the drummer. My drummer is not heavy handed, and it was a blues jam, but it was still loud.
 
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I'm so happy that you guys brought this up. I live in an apartment, and I love tube distortion. The 50 watt version of the express seemed to be four times as loud on 5w compared to the 25. And even within the 25 watt version, the 1x12 seemed twice as loud as the 1x10 when on 5w.

That is yet another reason that I bought the 1x10 : it's easier to add a cab to get volume than to take away, as stated in my previous post.

Man, you are not making this any easier for me!
 
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Man, you are not making this any easier for me!

I am very, very sorry. Make sure you play it many times in the store though, as it does have a distinct flavor. That flavor just happens to be a versatile convenient, awesome sounding flavor.

Sorry :).
 
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Phil, I enjoyed your review.

Today I purchased the 5:25 with a 12" Vintage 30 speaker in it... and yeah I'm still on the honeymoon phase, but I LOVE IT. Amazing amp. I think i would like this version of the 5:25 with the 12" speaker better than the version you have...

Got a great deal on it too. :)
 
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Phil, I enjoyed your review.

Today I purchased the 5:25 with a 12" Vintage 30 speaker in it... and yeah I'm still on the honeymoon phase, but I LOVE IT. Amazing amp. I think i would like this version of the 5:25 with the 12" speaker better than the version you have...

Got a great deal on it too. :)

Congrats on the new amp man! I hope you dig it as much as I do. The 12 inch one does sound killer for sure, totally different sound than the 10 inch. I kinda dug the single 10, and I got a mesa 2x12 on the way as we speak, but if it wasn't for that, I would of probably picked up what you have.

Anyways man, have fun with it, and don't forget to mess around with all the channels both on 5w and 25w mode. You'll find some sounds that are totally wicked.

Cheers to a new amp!:friday:
 
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