Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
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ImmortalSix
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Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
Check this thread out over at GearSlutz: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-m...r-better-than-triple-rectifier-recording.html
Check this thread out over at GearSlutz: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-m...r-better-than-triple-rectifier-recording.html
cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
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I will check it out as soon as I get back home. Thanks.
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I will check it out as soon as I get back home. Thanks.
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
Yeah, the name is not great for work filters :laughing:
It's a recording forum.
Yeah, the name is not great for work filters :laughing:
It's a recording forum.
cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
OK i finally finished reading. What i understood was them pretty much being same except for the headroom being bigger in a triple rectifier which cause power tube saturation to kick in at much louder volumes.
Can a THD power attenuator (or any other brand) be used to get the amp saturated at lower volume output levels?
OK i finally finished reading. What i understood was them pretty much being same except for the headroom being bigger in a triple rectifier which cause power tube saturation to kick in at much louder volumes.
Can a THD power attenuator (or any other brand) be used to get the amp saturated at lower volume output levels?
ACH91332
New member
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
Whats the point of getting a triple rectifier if you are going to just hot plate it? If you are after a thick and heavy tone then get a single rectifier. A triple would just make you have to cover a lot more ground to get the tones you desire. Honestly a triple is just useless unless you are The Who and are playing at Wembly. Or you absolutely don't believe in mic'ing out your amplifier.
Whats the point of getting a triple rectifier if you are going to just hot plate it? If you are after a thick and heavy tone then get a single rectifier. A triple would just make you have to cover a lot more ground to get the tones you desire. Honestly a triple is just useless unless you are The Who and are playing at Wembly. Or you absolutely don't believe in mic'ing out your amplifier.
Petrovsk Mizinski
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Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
The single recto sounds nothing like the Dual though.
The best bet is the dual, unless you absolutely have to have monstrous headroom that the Triple offers.
The single recto sounds nothing like the Dual though.
The best bet is the dual, unless you absolutely have to have monstrous headroom that the Triple offers.
cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
They have also mentioned that if you were to remove certain tube out of the triple you can make it sound like a dual except for a light difference due to the difference between the transformers in the power amp section.
How smart would it be to buy the triple rectifier and make this modification. It is only $100 for the triple. (you know in case my band becomes like TheWho
)
They have also mentioned that if you were to remove certain tube out of the triple you can make it sound like a dual except for a light difference due to the difference between the transformers in the power amp section.
How smart would it be to buy the triple rectifier and make this modification. It is only $100 for the triple. (you know in case my band becomes like TheWho
)
Pink Unicorn Horsey
Megä Pöny Rÿdr
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
I suggest talking with CaughtLikeFire about these two amps. He seems to have a good amount of experience with the Mesa Recto series.
He hasn't been on the forum for a couple months, but his contact page includes his email address.
- Keith
I suggest talking with CaughtLikeFire about these two amps. He seems to have a good amount of experience with the Mesa Recto series.
He hasn't been on the forum for a couple months, but his contact page includes his email address.
- Keith
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
I would buy a Triple and pull 2 tubes before I bought a Dual. Better to have headroom and not need it than the other way around.
The single on the other hand has a different preamp design and is as a result a somewhat different beast. It´s still a Rectifier amp, no doubt, but it lacks the 3 channel versatility and headroom of its big brothers as well as some of the high end.
I would buy a Triple and pull 2 tubes before I bought a Dual. Better to have headroom and not need it than the other way around.
The single on the other hand has a different preamp design and is as a result a somewhat different beast. It´s still a Rectifier amp, no doubt, but it lacks the 3 channel versatility and headroom of its big brothers as well as some of the high end.
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CaughtLikeFire
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Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
Guess I haven't posted in awhile. Quit my job and went back to school full time - not sure I c an keep up with all these young kids - I'm buried in classwork right now :smash:
I'd go for the Dual Rec, especially an earlier 2 channel. Classic sound and lower maintenance costs (buying a matched quad of power tubes is bad enough, 6 is ridiculous). I can't think of a situation where you'd actually need 150W headroom - the DR can get very loud on the clean channel. If you're doing the whole loud-quiet-loud modern rock thing, you'll be golden.
I like the Single a lot but it have to agree with the other posters that it is a bit brighter in overall tone. It's supposed to have the exact same preamp as the 2 Channel DR but it sounds just a little different. A Single Rec with EL34 tubes sounds like 2 parts Mesa, 1 part Marshall. Keith and I are both fans of that setup but it's probably not what you're looking for.
As far as the whole pulling tubes thing, I'm siding with Myles Rose on this one:
"Then there are those folks that have the great idea of pulling two tubes out of their 100 watt amp to turn it into a 50 watt amp. To put it bluntly
and get a lot of argument, this is a stupid idea. A great amp is made up of many components. Power transformers, output transformers, capacitors,
and other parts, make up the design. If one takes a Marshall 100 watt Super Lead, and pulls two of the tubes, and properly sets the impedance
selector, turning the amp into a 50 watt amp, what actually happens? Well, we have a 100 watt power supply, that is now even less taxed than
before. The "50 watt" Marshall will now have less dynamics, less feel, less touch sensitivity. It will be a nice, clean, 50 watt amp. Its 100 watt power supply will never reach saturation. Its output transformer will never be pushed. It will actually be cleaner than it was as a 100 watt amp at most settings and have greatly reduced touch dynamics. The only distortion you will get is when the output tubes are at their limit, and this will be an unbalanced sound, although some might think this is just to their own tastes."
Guess I haven't posted in awhile. Quit my job and went back to school full time - not sure I c an keep up with all these young kids - I'm buried in classwork right now :smash:
I'd go for the Dual Rec, especially an earlier 2 channel. Classic sound and lower maintenance costs (buying a matched quad of power tubes is bad enough, 6 is ridiculous). I can't think of a situation where you'd actually need 150W headroom - the DR can get very loud on the clean channel. If you're doing the whole loud-quiet-loud modern rock thing, you'll be golden.
I like the Single a lot but it have to agree with the other posters that it is a bit brighter in overall tone. It's supposed to have the exact same preamp as the 2 Channel DR but it sounds just a little different. A Single Rec with EL34 tubes sounds like 2 parts Mesa, 1 part Marshall. Keith and I are both fans of that setup but it's probably not what you're looking for.
As far as the whole pulling tubes thing, I'm siding with Myles Rose on this one:
"Then there are those folks that have the great idea of pulling two tubes out of their 100 watt amp to turn it into a 50 watt amp. To put it bluntly
and get a lot of argument, this is a stupid idea. A great amp is made up of many components. Power transformers, output transformers, capacitors,
and other parts, make up the design. If one takes a Marshall 100 watt Super Lead, and pulls two of the tubes, and properly sets the impedance
selector, turning the amp into a 50 watt amp, what actually happens? Well, we have a 100 watt power supply, that is now even less taxed than
before. The "50 watt" Marshall will now have less dynamics, less feel, less touch sensitivity. It will be a nice, clean, 50 watt amp. Its 100 watt power supply will never reach saturation. Its output transformer will never be pushed. It will actually be cleaner than it was as a 100 watt amp at most settings and have greatly reduced touch dynamics. The only distortion you will get is when the output tubes are at their limit, and this will be an unbalanced sound, although some might think this is just to their own tastes."
korovamilkdud
WhoDatologist
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
Well I can say that the rule of thumb is "the more channels, the less aggressive" the tone. Amps that have tons of features and channels seem to lose something, especially since there is so much circuitry involved.
My advice would be "only buy what you absolutely need". Just like how connecting the tone pot to the volume pot on your guitar deteriorates the tone, the more bells and whistles and channels within an amp, the more likely the tone will suffer.
Features vs. Tone is a common problem amongst us.
If I were you, I'd snag the Dual. I don't know if you're in this big cover band though, in which case you might benefit from the versatility.
But rest assured, the Dual will sound cleaner than the Triple.
Well I can say that the rule of thumb is "the more channels, the less aggressive" the tone. Amps that have tons of features and channels seem to lose something, especially since there is so much circuitry involved.
My advice would be "only buy what you absolutely need". Just like how connecting the tone pot to the volume pot on your guitar deteriorates the tone, the more bells and whistles and channels within an amp, the more likely the tone will suffer.
Features vs. Tone is a common problem amongst us.
If I were you, I'd snag the Dual. I don't know if you're in this big cover band though, in which case you might benefit from the versatility.
But rest assured, the Dual will sound cleaner than the Triple.
cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
So would it be safe to say that Dual Rectifier is the most aggressive and brutal amp rectifer series (single, dual, triple, roadster, road king2)
So would it be safe to say that Dual Rectifier is the most aggressive and brutal amp rectifer series (single, dual, triple, roadster, road king2)
korovamilkdud
WhoDatologist
Re: Mesa Boogie Dual vs Triple Rectifier?
Aggressive might be a misleading word. I'm not talking about the most distortion or the "heaviest" or "brutal" or even the loudest (that wouldn't even make sense).
I mean aggressive in terms of sensitivity and touch. I think simpler amp designs (maybe even a single channel) "track" your playing more efficiently. To me they usually just feel better because they RESPOND to my picking and attack.
I've heard great things about the Road King, but if it's simply Single Recto vs. Dual vs. Triple....Your best bet touch-wise would probably just be the single, and you could move up dependant upon your versatility needs.
Aggressive might be a misleading word. I'm not talking about the most distortion or the "heaviest" or "brutal" or even the loudest (that wouldn't even make sense).
I mean aggressive in terms of sensitivity and touch. I think simpler amp designs (maybe even a single channel) "track" your playing more efficiently. To me they usually just feel better because they RESPOND to my picking and attack.
I've heard great things about the Road King, but if it's simply Single Recto vs. Dual vs. Triple....Your best bet touch-wise would probably just be the single, and you could move up dependant upon your versatility needs.
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