Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

B2D

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I was demoing some amps at my local GC today and talking to my friends that work there, and one of them told me that it hasn't been made official yet, but GC and Boogie have apparently parted ways. He said that the eventual plan is to price Boogie gear "to move quick" and get it out of the stores. He couldn't offer me any information as to the cause of the breakup, he just knew it was in the works.

I can't find any official information releases from either company. However, new Boogie Gear is no longer listed in guitarcenter.com, and GC is not on the lists when you search for authorized Boogie dealers in your area in the US.

This would explain why Boogie products, reps, and displays were conspicuously absent from the GC Musicians Expo I attended.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

Just Internet rumour saying pretty much the same thing.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

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Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

I'm not picking on all GC stores by any stretch but too many of them that I've been in, the sales staff don't know crap from Crisco. If I where a big company like Mesa, I would want a dealer that was really on there game across the board. Sorry, but this is just my opinion. Anyone here that works for or has a friend that works for GC that isn't a moron should know that I'm not talking about you.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

I remember when Peavey was all US made and only available in 'mom and pop' shops. I think this is a good decision on Mesa's behalf. GC is like walmart to me really.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

It's one of the few amps you can't haggle on in a GC, right?
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

I can respect and understand Mesa's reasons for parting ways. Guitar Center really doesn't do much to help customers and Mesa apparently must really care about the customer and their satisfaction. I've never dealt with a Mesa so I'd have no idea.

Too bad that no matter how low the prices for Mesas at GC will be because they must go, I won't be able to get them just because I can barely afford pickups for myself. Oh well I'm still very happy with my very simple rig.
 
Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

I noticed this when I was hunting for a Mesa 4x12 cab.
Mesa products are pretty complex, and they are priced at the high end of GC's market.
With the explosion of boutique tube amp makers recently I wonder if this is a strategic marketing move by Mesa to position themselves more in the boutique market, where they can justify some of their recent price increases more easily. GC has a perception of carrying cheaper and more mass-produced stuff.

To be fair to GC, their bigger stores have boutique rooms where a sales guy will let you isolate with gear to check it out thoroughly. The sales guys I have dealt with have mostly been OK, but it varies; of course they need to make a buck like anyone else. And A lot of their floor models did seem overly shopworn and not in good shape to demo.

In H-town where I am from, there is only one authorized Mesa dealer in the city now; who must be quite pleased! - and to my knowledge only one authorized tech.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

Well Mesa aren't really consumer friendly angels either.

They are on the forefront of dictating prices to stores which if I had it my way would be illegal.

They also have an impressive patent portfolio that regardless of how ridiculous a patent might be can't be challenged since doing so is way out of the budget for any musical instrument company (all patent attorneys are buying doing million $$$ jobs for software or biotech companies). At the same time of course the famous Mk design is directly derived from a design made by a competitor (then and now) and some newer designs are directly copying other competitors's products.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge here. For all we know Mesa tried to dictate conditions to guitar center that they say are "ensuring that their products get the right exposure" but in reality wanted to require GC to give Mesa product a straight presentation advantage over other amplifiers.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

When it comes to customer service, I've found very few that can top Mesa. Always polite and more than willing to help no matter what Mesa gear you own or what other manufacturers gear you own. Most of them guys are players and gear heads themselves and take pride in what they're doing, even if it's answering a simple tube question. Of course I'm a Mesa fanboy and some might view my opinion as biased, but also take this into consideration. There's a reason I always turn to Mesa products first.
 
Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

At my local Guitar Center, they had the whole line of Mesa products on display, but the guitar center staff was always clueless about them. Guitar Center also hasn't been replenishing their inventory as much either, they're focusing on the cheaper, easier to move gear like Dean imports, Fender imports, etc...IMO Guitar Center just wasn't able to sell enough to fulfill whatever agreement they had with Mesa
 
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My GC never had them in the first place. If I had an amp company, I wouldn't want my products sold there; it's just a poor environment for an audition.

The speculation on the reasoning is endearing. I prefer to play my cards a little closer to the vest; we'll see how it turns out.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

I'm not picking on all GC stores by any stretch but too many of them that I've been in, the sales staff don't know crap from Crisco. If I where a big company like Mesa, I would want a dealer that was really on there game across the board. Sorry, but this is just my opinion. Anyone here that works for or has a friend that works for GC that isn't a moron should know that I'm not talking about you.

I do know what you mean. I have a few friends at my local ones who are being sent to work at the new one in Orange, because the Orange store actually does have a killer inventory but the staff is 95% kids right out of high school who have no experience with any kind of professional grade gear, and management specifically wants some GC Vets to school the kids.

I've been in there twice looking for specific things, mainly new releases, and when the salesperson clearly has no idea what I'm looking for, I have to explain it to them. Unfortunately the pressure on them to move units is so bad these days that you find a good amount of GC salespeople making stuff up, which doesn't help anyone out.
 
Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

A few years back, a shop owner told me that Gibson called him up and asked him for $80K to continue being a preferred Gibson dealer - and he told them to shove it. I think this kind of thing happens a lot in the industry. It's a lot harder to strong-arm GC than a mom & pop store though; and in fact GC may be the only retailer with the buying power to make their *own* demands, a la Walmart. It would be interesting to hear the "rest of the story"....

I am a big Mesa fan myself and my experience with them has overall been very positive. I imagine they will sell plenty of gear with or without GC. It's kind of a nuisance though, because GC is always a great barometer for pricing even if you don't end up buying your gear there.
 
Re: Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

It's one of the few amps you can't haggle on in a GC, right?

Correct. Mesa will not allow it. If you ever see a Mesa amp priced below list on clearance, it's because Mesa said it was OK.

Well Mesa aren't really consumer friendly angels either.

They are on the forefront of dictating prices to stores which if I had it my way would be illegal.

They also have an impressive patent portfolio that regardless of how ridiculous a patent might be can't be challenged since doing so is way out of the budget for any musical instrument company (all patent attorneys are buying doing million $$$ jobs for software or biotech companies). At the same time of course the famous Mk design is directly derived from a design made by a competitor (then and now) and some newer designs are directly copying other competitors's products.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge here. For all we know Mesa tried to dictate conditions to guitar center that they say are "ensuring that their products get the right exposure" but in reality wanted to require GC to give Mesa product a straight presentation advantage over other amplifiers.

They don't really dictate prices so much as ensure consistency. Here's how it works: A Marshall JVM410H head has a "list" price of $3400. The MSRP (street price) that most stores will sell it for is $1999.99, which is supposed to give the buyer the illusion of a savings. However, some small independent stores that are way out of the way might charge above that, and right up to list price because there might be no competition in their area and they can get away with it. Conversely, when the amps really do go on sale for 10 or 15% off, now the price is dropped and it's a limited opportunity to save some money. One shop locally i know sells pedals and accessories for full list while slightly discounting the street price on big items, that's normal MO for them.

Mesa views this as giving some shops and even some buyers an unfair advantage over others. By pricing a Dual Rec at $1949.00, and keeping it there, there's no haggling, no sales, no opportunity for a shop to charge more and no reason one buyer will pay less than another.

In addition to that, Mesa was always great at having reps come around and training the employees on the product, more so than most other companies did. I can tell you as a salesperson, this actually made my job easier, because the customers knew you couldn't haggle on those amps, and I could spend more time educating the customer on the value on the product and I didn't waste any time fiddling with the pricing on the amp. Occasionally I'd throw in a strap or some strings to make the deal happen, but only with my boss' approval and that was a pretty rare thing anyways.
 
Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

Also, as a Boogie fan, I would hate to see them introduce offshore manufactured gear to satisfy the lower end market while trying to trade on their name.
 
Mesa Boogie + Guitar Center = no more?

Yikes - @B2D - I didn't know that. It explains a lot. Hell they may be having trouble paying their suppliers if they are in that kind of financial trouble; in which case if I were Mesa I'd be reluctant to continue with them as a reseller.
 
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