Metal Players HELP with this clip

[DirrtyCraig]

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Ok, thats a great argument for not using Fruity loops, but honestly how can you tap out a decent drum beat with intricate fills and stuff with your fingers in real time for a cool metal tune or something? Do you do multiple tracks and add fills and stuff, or just tap out really simple beats?

 

[FretFire]

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I have used leafDrums a few times as well and liked it except for the sample sounds (although I have used FruityLoops lately and don't particularly like them either, time to download some). My only complaint with those 2 programs is that, in order to get a drum sound i was happy with (when talking about the levels from drum to drum, amounts of reverb, etc.) I had to import EACH drum as a seperate track and level/mix them seperately. Needless to say, 8-10 drums tracks and 3 or 4 guitar tracks (on a simple recording) ate up some SERIOUS memory on my machine, and made the mixdown a precarious event prone to the "blue screen of death".

 

[DirrtyCraig]

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Oh yeah no doubt. I could totally see that crashing my Pc too. But, really thats the ideal way to do it, have each drum on a separate track just like your micing a whole kit.

 

[FretFire]

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There are some great tips in this thread, perhaps vault material? (unless this topic is already covered there of course)

 

[FretFire]

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Oh yeah no doubt. I could totally see that crashing my Pc too. But, really thats the ideal way to do it, have each drum on a separate track just like your micing a whole kit.

For sure. What usually keeps me from just using one big track are the snare and hi-hats.

 

[DirrtyCraig]

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My PC is ok 1.2 Ghz but I have 1024 MB of RAM. I have no trouble running the Tascam, Cubase, and I've screwed around with as many as 10 tracks and it was fine.

I need to find a new drum program. There was suppose to be some new awesome one coming out that did real human like fills and had excellent samples and I can't for the life of me remember what it was called.

 

[FretFire]

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I've got a ~3Ghz and the same amount of RAM, but man once I got up to around 12-15 tracks (with all the effects and stereo positioning turned on) things were getting bogged down.

Line 6 was supposed to be coming out with a drum program that was touted to be pretty nice...

 

[DirrtyCraig]

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What version of Cubase are you using? I found SX to be more than adequate and it runs alot smoother than the new Cubase.

 

[FretFire]

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I'm using Cool Edit Pro. I hear many great things about Cubase, I may have to look into it. Where did you snag your copy?

 

[DirrtyCraig]

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Yeah it really is awesome. I know some major studio guys here in town and some of them swear by Cubase and others say its second only to ProTools. Shoot me an email and I'll see if I can 'find' a perfectly legal copy for you to 'buy'.

 

[FretFire]

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Emailinization has occured.

 

[AmirH]

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yeah I use cubase sx as well, but I seriously JUST migrated from cooledit pro 2. I would have gone for protools if not for the special hardware thing. As for banging out complicated rhythms- you do each piece of the kit seperate, so it's actually quite a lot easier. With programs like leafdrums it was guesswork sometimes figuring out where the beat I wanted had to go. I don't know it sounds better, and is easier, so I can't change your mind for you

for the record- the most tracks I've had going is 17 on a 2 gig processor with 512 ram. The program wouldn't close without crashing though. Didn't matter though because I could mix it down and then let it crash and reopen it

 

[FretFire]

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How's ease of use with Cubase vs. Cool Edit?

 

[AmirH]

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I can see how eventually I'm gonna love it, but right now it's a stiff learning curb IMO. I still find myself going back to cooledit sometimes just because I don't feel like reading an instruction manual for half an hour Once you've got stuff figured out though it can be fairly intuitive and you can do SOOO much more that it's totally worth it. I should note that you need a soundcard that supports asio though. That's actually the first problem you run into- routing the asio signal so that it even works...

 

[DirrtyCraig]

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Amen, thats half the reason I bought the Tascam US-428. It supported Cubase and takes the place of my sound card. I mean hell if you have to spend $300 on high-end pro sound card I might as well get a desktop mixer also for the same $300., so thats what I did.

I bought a pair of semi-cheap M-Audio monitors and monitor striaght off the board, no headphones, no latency. Pretty neat. Still learning though too, I agree Cubase has a steap curve but its awesome.

.. about the drums Death, thats what I was hoping you'd say,, LMAO. I didnt want to make fun of you for tapping a snare with your pinky and double-bass parts with your fingers at the same time.... haha. Yeah I could definitely see how doing them separately would be cool on a keyboard. So is all you need is a MIDI controller with some keys on it.. recommend one for me? Doesn;t have to even have real sounds does it ?

 

[GuitarGuy503]

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Sweet Riff Man!!!

 

[FretFire]

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Amen, thats half the reason I bought the Tascam US-428. It supported Cubase and takes the place of my sound card. I mean hell if you have to spend $300 on high-end pro sound card I might as well get a desktop mixer also for the same $300., so thats what I did.

I bought a pair of semi-cheap M-Audio monitors and monitor striaght off the board, no headphones, no latency. Pretty neat. Still learning though too, I agree Cubase has a steap curve but its awesome.

.. about the drums Death, thats what I was hoping you'd say,, LMAO. I didnt want to make fun of you for tapping a snare with your pinky and double-bass parts with your fingers at the same time.... haha. Yeah I could definitely see how doing them separately would be cool on a keyboard. So is all you need is a MIDI controller with some keys on it.. recommend one for me? Doesn;t have to even have real sounds does it ?

Craig, the MIDI controller won't have any sounds, it will just be a device that aids in the programming of sounds already contained in your drum program.

I already have an M-Audio Delta 66 card, so all I need is Cubase (to try vs. Cool Edit), a mic/mixer, and possibly some monitors down the road. Right now I just monitor through my amp while the other tracks play over my sound system, but when I start micing that will have to change.

 

[FretFire]

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I replied to your email last night Craig...

 

[AmirH]

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Haha, I really wish I had done something like that with the tascam. I DID spend like 250 on my soundcard, and I have to mix with my mouse . Fretfire answered the question about a midi controller for me, and I don't really have a recommendation. I use a really old one that I happened to have lying around. It doesn't matter at all what type as long as it works, and like I said I've heard of people doing it without one so you could look into that.