MIDI & Guitar Synthesizer Q's

Re: MIDI & Guitar Synthesizer Q's

I love my LGXSA Godin w/hex out .:headbang:

I love my Roland GR33 too . :banana:

I'm in heaven when I hook them to my T.C.Helicon Vocal Live 3 X .:smokin:

It's a small footprint on stage , clean set up & streamline looking .

Not much at all to haul besides my 3 mics , harps , amp/P.A. & drum throne to sit on .

I have it set up for live off grid busking too besides doing casuals , coffee houses and
small venues.

Cant hardly wait to do a big venue and walk in with just my LGXSA Godin , harps , harp mic ,
condenser mic hooked into the T.C.Helicon & Roland GR33 to the T.C.Helicon VL3X and go direct
into the house system controlling everything myself .

EZ :

HR
 
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Hurricane said:
I love my LGXSA Godin w/hex out .:headbang:

I love my Roland GR33 too . :banana:

I'm in heaven when I hook them to my T.C.Helicon Vocal Live 3 X .:smokin:

It's a small footprint on stage , clean set up & streamline looking .

Not much at all to haul besides my 3 mics , harps , amp/P.A. & drum throne to sit on .

I have it set up for live off grid busking too besides doing casuals , coffee houses and
small venues.

Cant hardly wait to do a big venue and walk in with just my LGXSA Godin , harps , harp mic ,
condenser mic hooked into the T.C.Helicon & Roland GR33 to the T.C.Helicon VL3X and go direct
into the house system controlling everything myself .

EZ :

HR
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just looked up the helicon and godin. sweet setup! that godin says it has a 13 pin, which i understand.
but what's the 'acoustic transducer' for if it's midi and can trigger any array of acoustic sounds?
also, what is the '3 way magnetic output'?
also, i hear so much about 13pin roland vs. 'true midi' output. why does a 'midi' guitar not have 'true midi' output instead of adhering to the roland standard?
thanks!
 
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cato said:
just looked up the helicon and godin. sweet setup! that godin says it has a 13 pin, which i understand.
but what's the 'acoustic transducer' for if it's midi and can trigger any array of acoustic sounds?
also, what is the '3 way magnetic output'?
also, i hear so much about 13pin roland vs. 'true midi' output. why does a 'midi' guitar not have 'true midi' output instead of adhering to the roland standard?
thanks!
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:thanks: cato on the compliment on the set up . Yep I am loving this so far .

The issues are/is latency and accuracy , with one being faster and claiming being more accurate than the another , but at this point IMHO it's like splitting hairs .
We're talking milliseconds of time . The issue IMHO whether you choose one or the other is not critical , what is critical is how accurate your playing skills are :

If technically your are not very accurate a guitarist it translates in false triggered notes and digital glitches .

  • Classical
  • Bluegrass
  • CW
  • Flamenco
  • Jazz/Fusion

Finger style players seem to excel while thrash metal players who rely on heavy distortion and FX might not have as good an experience if
you dig where I'm coming from .

The Axion group touted their system was fast - The Roland GR 20/30/33 group could not notice the difference and these Roland users include
some heavy weight players .

Axion is no longer around from what I have or have not seen of their line up of units evolving like Roland and Yamaha , I could be wrong .

The Hexaphonic has to process the CV signal of each string and the frequency individually of the note then interpret this into numerical values
that midi uses to trigger the assigned note and voice . This process is not in the chain of event's on a keyboard .

Bottom line is a hexaphonic chain like my Godin LGXSA to the Roland GR33 gets converted to midi signal and then out it's " Right & Left Line Outs "
is analog audio and with a midi keyboard plugged into the GR33 midi in and out and older units , can trigger midi voices and notes FX CC - Program/Preset Changes
and all that crazy cool digital FX stuff in the GR series or any other midi system , Korg - Yamaha , you name it - " Midi is Midi " - that's why it's so powerful because it's
been around since the 70's as a standard that has not changed it's OS since it came out .

The newest GR55 unit is really good and then again lacks some of the things most GR midi guitarists want that their units have and will miss
if they change units with a latest issue model upgrade .

On the plus it's got " Open Tuning(s) " that's unreal - guitar models and pick up options - cool , and electric guitar FX ,
and a looper , these are some of the things the older GR unit series lacked .

On the negative it's missing a five pin midi in and out !

So - it's all good and then it's never perfect .

Fishman's Triple Play is not bad also the Livid and ACPAD systems but they require computer/laptop/ipad/iphone , and are
all really cool but again , not as robust as a GR series .

With the Vocal Live 3 X I cover the things I need and that's cool for me :smokin: .

EZ :

HR
 
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Hurricane said:
;)



:thanks: cato on the compliment on the set up . Yep I am loving this so far .

The issues are/is latency and accuracy , with one being faster and claiming being more accurate than the another , but at this point IMHO it's like splitting hairs .
We're talking milliseconds of time . The issue IMHO whether you choose one or the other is not critical , what is critical is how accurate your playing skills are :

If technically your are not very accurate a guitarist it translates in false triggered notes and digital glitches .

  • Classical
  • Bluegrass
  • CW
  • Flamenco
  • Jazz/Fusion

Finger style players seem to excel while thrash metal players who rely on heavy distortion and FX might not have as good an experience if
you dig where I'm coming from .

The Axion group touted their system was fast - The Roland GR 20/30/33 group could not notice the difference and these Roland users include
some heavy weight players .

Axion is no longer around from what I have or have not seen of their line up of units evolving like Roland and Yamaha , I could be wrong .

The Hexaphonic has to process the CV signal of each string and the frequency individually of the note then interpret this into numerical values
that midi uses to trigger the assigned note and voice . This process is not in the chain of event's on a keyboard .

Bottom line is a hexaphonic chain like my Godin LGXSA to the Roland GR33 gets converted to midi signal and then out it's " Right & Left Line Outs "
is analog audio and with a midi keyboard plugged into the GR33 midi in and out and older units , can trigger midi voices and notes FX CC - Program/Preset Changes
and all that crazy cool digital FX stuff in the GR series or any other midi system , Korg - Yamaha , you name it - " Midi is Midi " - that's why it's so powerful because it's
been around since the 70's as a standard that has not changed it's OS since it came out .

The newest GR55 unit is really good and then again lacks some of the things most GR midi guitarists want that their units have and will miss
if they change units with a latest issue model upgrade .

On the plus it's got " Open Tuning(s) " that's unreal - guitar models and pick up options - cool , and electric guitar FX ,
and a looper , these are some of the things the older GR unit series lacked .

On the negative it's missing a five pin midi in and out !

So - it's all good and then it's never perfect .

Fishman's Triple Play is not bad also the Livid and ACPAD systems but they require computer/laptop/ipad/iphone , and are
all really cool but again , not as robust as a GR series .

With the Vocal Live 3 X I cover the things I need and that's cool for me :smokin: .

EZ :

HR
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awesome info man. thanks. i enjoy playing very technical/clean/acoustic, or low gain/minimum fx strat type stuff, with the exception of a bit more preamp OD/chorus/reverb for neoclassical stuff. so i was thinking hexaphonic pups/midi might accommodate my playing with some adaptation on my part. i'm almost reluctantly exploring this idea just cause i've always been a mild purist when it comes to fx, and so midi/synth is way outa my comfort zone.

so your godin has a "three-way magnetic output" it says. what's that?

and an 'acoustic transducer'?
why would a midi guitar need that when it can trigger midi acoustic sounds?

and weird a midi guitar would output 13 pin roland standard rather than 5 pin midi. no?
 
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Acoustic transducer = the actual sound of the acoustic guitar. Godin guitars excel at their transducer technology.

Magnetic = regular old pickups one would assume.
 
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cato said:
and weird a midi guitar would output 13 pin roland standard rather than 5 pin midi. no?
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There used to be a few 5-pin midi guitars out there, but it does cause a few problems when plugging it directly into a synth (like not being able to plug a hold pedal directly in. The company responsible for that technology went out of business. We now have either 13 pin out, or the Triple Play system which uses Bluetooth to send it to a PC or Mac.
 
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Mincer said:
There used to be a few 5-pin midi guitars out there, but it does cause a few problems when plugging it directly into a synth (like not being able to plug a hold pedal directly in. The company responsible for that technology went out of business. We now have either 13 pin out, or the Triple Play system which uses Bluetooth to send it to a PC or Mac.
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ah ok, thanks mincer. i was wondering about that. that explains it.
 
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