Mission Amps?
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Harp players tend to like amps with warmish tone and that break up easily. The 12au7 is a low gain tube compared to the 12ax7. It would result in cleaner tone compared to a 12ax7. Lew
Harp players tend to like amps with warmish tone and that break up easily. The 12au7 is a low gain tube compared to the 12ax7. It would result in cleaner tone compared to a 12ax7. Lew
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Scott, I called Bruce yesterday and told him you guys were talking about him here. We'll see if he responds. He's pretty busy...hope he does though. He's registered here, but he doesn't spend much time on guitar forums. He tends to like answering the more technical questions over on Ampage and I forget where else...techy sites that bore the heck out of me! :laugh2:
Scott, I called Bruce yesterday and told him you guys were talking about him here. We'll see if he responds. He's pretty busy...hope he does though. He's registered here, but he doesn't spend much time on guitar forums. He tends to like answering the more technical questions over on Ampage and I forget where else...techy sites that bore the heck out of me! :laugh2:
NathanCahill
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Actualy that seems fairly simple.
Scott_F said:
Actualy that seems fairly simple.
loudriver23
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I've never played an amp with just a "Tone" knob and not the whole Treb, Mid, Bass EQ system. I'm assuming that you can still dial in a nice warm tone with this beast or this thread wouldn't exist. So I guess my question is, how much control over the EQ do you have with this one Tone Knob?
Slight, Moderate, Complete?
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Loudriver
I've never played an amp with just a "Tone" knob and not the whole Treb, Mid, Bass EQ system. I'm assuming that you can still dial in a nice warm tone with this beast or this thread wouldn't exist. So I guess my question is, how much control over the EQ do you have with this one Tone Knob?
Slight, Moderate, Complete?
Thanks,
Loudriver
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On a '58 or '59 tweed 5e3 Deluxe or '51 tweed Super/Dual Professional like I have you don't need a bass control and the amp sounds throatier and ballsier without one.
The '59 tweed Champ has no bass control and the '64 blackface Champ sounds ballsier if the tone stack is changed back to the '59 design without a bass control.
To me, these little amps are all about getting a fat ballsy touch sensitive tone at a moderate volume. They're a Class A/cathode bias design like the Vox AC30 and when you crank these little guys up you can squeeze off notes and pinch harmonics like squeezing toothpaste from a tube!
I've never missed not having a bass control on these amps, but I did have to do a fair amount of experimenting with differant speakers to get the tone I was after...though I doubt having a bass control would have made the speaker selection any easier.
Lew
loudriver23 said:
On a '58 or '59 tweed 5e3 Deluxe or '51 tweed Super/Dual Professional like I have you don't need a bass control and the amp sounds throatier and ballsier without one.
The '59 tweed Champ has no bass control and the '64 blackface Champ sounds ballsier if the tone stack is changed back to the '59 design without a bass control.
To me, these little amps are all about getting a fat ballsy touch sensitive tone at a moderate volume. They're a Class A/cathode bias design like the Vox AC30 and when you crank these little guys up you can squeeze off notes and pinch harmonics like squeezing toothpaste from a tube!
I've never missed not having a bass control on these amps, but I did have to do a fair amount of experimenting with differant speakers to get the tone I was after...though I doubt having a bass control would have made the speaker selection any easier.
Lew
NathanCahill
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I'm not sure how it works in the amp but if it works like in a guitar it will just roll off the highs.
If you wanted to do anything else an eq pedal would most likely be what you would use.
These are just my guesses. I've not messed with this type of amp before.
I'm not sure how it works in the amp but if it works like in a guitar it will just roll off the highs.
If you wanted to do anything else an eq pedal would most likely be what you would use.
These are just my guesses. I've not messed with this type of amp before.
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The single tone knob is no big deal. In fact, with the wrong speaker, the 5E3 can sound like it has waaay too much bass. That's why I like the Red Fang in it.
The Jensen P12Q just farted out on the low end constantly. Sounded like crap to my ears, heaven to other folks I'm sure. The Celestion Blue was out of the question since it cost more than the actual cab! I know it's supposed to be great and I"ve played through them before, but the Red Fang gets you 95% close at less than half the money. It's a no brainer for that amp.
The single tone knob is no big deal. In fact, with the wrong speaker, the 5E3 can sound like it has waaay too much bass. That's why I like the Red Fang in it.
The Jensen P12Q just farted out on the low end constantly. Sounded like crap to my ears, heaven to other folks I'm sure. The Celestion Blue was out of the question since it cost more than the actual cab! I know it's supposed to be great and I"ve played through them before, but the Red Fang gets you 95% close at less than half the money. It's a no brainer for that amp.
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I agree that harp players like a warm tone, but they also run into feedback problems with too much gain in the preamp section. I'm not much of a harp player, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them use 12AU7's ....here's one quote from A Blues Harp Player's :
"The more 12AX7 tubes, the more preamp stages. This is good for a guitar player, but bad for a harp player. The feedback demon thrives in the preamp stages of an amp. One or two 12AX7 tubes are enough. Three is the maximum."
here's a good example:
Dean Parks
check the second clip
Lew,Lewguitar said:
I agree that harp players like a warm tone, but they also run into feedback problems with too much gain in the preamp section. I'm not much of a harp player, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them use 12AU7's ....here's one quote from A Blues Harp Player's :
"The more 12AX7 tubes, the more preamp stages. This is good for a guitar player, but bad for a harp player. The feedback demon thrives in the preamp stages of an amp. One or two 12AX7 tubes are enough. Three is the maximum."
Dr. Z has a couple amps with only two knobs - volume, and tone - the Carmen Ghia, and the Mazerati. Some designers still apply the KISS principle to tube amp circuits - simple is better.loudriver23 said:
here's a good example:
Dean Parks
check the second clip
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Lewguitar
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The best year for the original blueframe Jensen P12Q was 1958. If you can find a '58 P12Q with the original cone those are great speakers in a 5E3.
But I've played P12Q's from the early 60's that didn't have the same tone.
The reissue P12Q gets better over time...deeper. But it's not the equal of an original Jensen '58 P12Q and probably never will be.
I have no idea what's so special about those '58 P12Q's! But they are.
Scott_F said:
The best year for the original blueframe Jensen P12Q was 1958. If you can find a '58 P12Q with the original cone those are great speakers in a 5E3.
But I've played P12Q's from the early 60's that didn't have the same tone.
The reissue P12Q gets better over time...deeper. But it's not the equal of an original Jensen '58 P12Q and probably never will be.
I have no idea what's so special about those '58 P12Q's! But they are.