Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Jack_TriPpEr

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I bought this guitar last spring and it needed a lot of fixes and mods to get it playing and sounding good.  I also just recovered from an injury that had halted my progress on this project for months.  I finished up the mods and fixes this weekend.

Following is a quick run-down of mods/fixes that I performed on the guitar:

1) this guitar naturally has a low frequency boominess that dominates its sound, even in the bridge position.  I first tried Artie's Demud mod on the stock pickups (adding capacitor and resistor in-line with each pickup's hot lead just before it attaches to their respective volume pots) and while that did significantly reduce the boominess, it was still too present for my tastes.

2)  So then I struck upon the idea that in this case, the tendency of active pickups to dominate the tone of a guitar would be a virtue and advantage in this case.  So I installed a set of Seymour Duncan Blackouts,  and this yielded enough reduction in the boominess in the bridge position that I was happy with the result.  BTW, I prefer the A5 "neck" Blackout in the bridge slot.  The Ceramic "bridge" Blackout in the neck isn't a great fit tonewise, but I don't tend to use the neck position that much anyways.

3) so now I needed a place to store the battery since this guitar wasn't set up originally for active pickups.  I bought an aftermarket battery tray and modded the control cavity cover plate to house that tray.  This was my first time using a dremel tool and so I went about the task cautiously, practicing on a piece of scrap wood first. The mod of the cavity control platr went well.  But then I discovered that the long-shaft pots i installed with the Blackouts didnt leave enough room in the control cavity to let the modded plate fit into the cavity, so I had to remove/replace/resolder the 4 pots using traditional/short shaft length pots.

4) as I spent time with the guitar on a strap, I noticed that it had enough degree of neck dive that annoyed me and affected my playing , so I  replaced the stock Grover tuners (totaling about 9 oz) with Gotoh Stealth tuning keys, which amazingly only total 2.12 oz.  The almost 7 ounce weight reduction resolved the neck dive problem.  One note about the Gotoh Stealth tuning keys: they will require extra time after the basic install because their shaft diameter is so much narrower than a traditional tuning key diameter. The space left open around each new key needs to "filled up" to stabilize each key.  I was disappointed that Gotoh didn't design this with a "sleeve" component to do that for you.  So you have to end up rigging up some material to fill up those spaces.

5) then just this weekend after i finished up the incomplete work mentioned above, the guitar suddenly started buzzing in the bridge on 5 of the 6 strings.  It turns out that the bridge design Dean uses, is susceptable to the intonation screws in the bridge rattling around, causing the buzzing.  I found this YouTube video where a guy with a Gretsch with the same general type of bridge design, fixed the problem by inserting improvised lengths of springs onto each of the intonation screws.  https://youtu.be/SciXQpYQGD0
He used the springs from ballpoint pens, I decided to use cut up lengths from springs found in pickup mounting rings (which I had spares of). I gave that method a try and it worked like a champ.  Of course I had to remove and disassemble the bridge to do this, which meant having to reintonate the guitar after I put the bridge back together.

6) the stock control knobs had an awkward appearance because they were unusually tall.  I replaced them with some short profile top hat knobs that match the hardware color.

So, this guitar needed a lof of attention, and it took a while to get it all done.  But now that it is done, it looks, plays and sounds great.

This is how the guitar looked stock:
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This is my guitar post all mods/fixes. The lighting in this picture almost makes it look like the color of the Blackout pickup covers are black, but they are in fact nickel. See other pic down below for comparison.
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This is the control cavity plate modded to house a battery tray
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This is the bridge with the improvised lengths of spring inserted into the channels where the intonation screws sit:
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This is the backside of the headstock with the replacement Gotoh Stealth tuner keys installed:
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This is the guitar, post mods/fixes, with all the stock hardware that was removed from it
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Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Wow. Wow. I would've just cried. Bought Hardtail a month or so ago from the original owner, who literally played the chrome off of it (took ten years)-just a little. I had to tune it. I'm done.

Since I got specs before guitar (found out it was exactly what I was looking for), there is info along with my crappy pics all over this forum recently. Gold pot covers temporarily

You did a lot of work-it's beautiful.
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Wow. Wow. I would've just cried. Bought Hardtail a month or so ago from the original owner, who literally played the chrome off of it (took ten years)-just a little. I had to tune it. I'm done.

Since I got specs before guitar (found out it was exactly what I was looking for), there is info along with my crappy pics all over this forum recently. Gold pot covers temporarily

You did a lot of work-it's beautiful.

Thanks!
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

I've got Grovers on this one. I can't believe there's such a diffference! I'll have to see how much I actually play standing up (bad back). Good to know.
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

I've got Grovers on this one. I can't believe there's such a diffference! I'll have to see how much I actually play standing up (bad back). Good to know.

Here's a link to the product page for these tuners on the Gotoh site, so you can get more info. about them. They are not cheap. Prices on the net average at/above $100.

https://g-gotoh.com/international/product/st31.html
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

I've never seen the Gotoh Stealth tuners..what do you think of them? And why did you choose them?
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

I've never seen the Gotoh Stealth tuners..what do you think of them? And why did you choose them?

See Point #4 in my OP above about why I chose them (neck dive).

How did I hear about them?: I scoured the internet looking for low weight tuners to relieve neck dive.

What do I think of them? See the install notes in Point #4, plus I will say that my impression to date is that I would prefer them to be more responsive per amount of "turning" that I apply up or down, *BUT* I will also admit that I have not yet taken the time to adjust the gear-tuning-ratio customization feature that is present on these tuners.
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Did they solve the problem?
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

See Point #4 in my OP above about why I chose them (neck dive).

How did I hear about them?: I scoured the internet looking for low weight tuners to relieve neck dive.

What do I think of them? See the install notes in Point #4, plus I will say that my impression to date is that I would prefer them to be more responsive per amount of "turning" that I apply up or down, *BUT* I will also admit that I have not yet taken the time to adjust the gear-tuning-ratio customization feature that is present on these tuners.

Wait , What?
You can adjust the gear ratio on those tuners?
Please elaborate
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Wait , What?
You can adjust the gear ratio on those tuners?
Please elaborate

No, sorry, I couldn't remember the exact term for the "extra" feature that I hadn't explored yet. See pic below. It's a "torque adjustment screw" that apparently can be tightened enough to act like a locking tuner. I will definitely explore that soon and see how well it works.

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Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Ahhh the elusive rubber o rings under the knob of the tuners
Tighten up and the knob gets harder to turn

I like the marketing though
 
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That ain't a Dean Icon. Well, of course it is but it's not the original Icon. The original Icons were string-thru. Pretty nice guitars actually. There also had some "Elites" made in the Czech Republic that were great (except for the finish ... colors were often funky).
Something happened with the Dean Hardtails (maybe a PRS lawsuit threat) so they changed the body shape and resurrected the name of the long discontinued Icon models. What's interesting is that my original Icon is also a darker sounding guitar, although I wouldn't call it "muddy". But, no neck dive. And those cheap Sung Il bridges are hit or miss as far as buzzing. IME anyway.

This is an original Icon.

iu
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

The Dean Icon is actually originally the Dean Hardtail....
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Wut chew talkin' bout' Willis?

I'd say the current Dean Icon is more like the bastard child of an original Dean Icon and the Dean Hardtail. They kept the proprietary tailpiece that they use so often now. The went with inlays similar to the original Icons. Not sure what to make of the body shape but it's kind of a cross between the Hardtail and the original Icon. Kept the 4 controls of the Hardtail as opposed to the master V and T of the original Icon. I haven't played one of the new Icons but it's kind of disappointing to read about neck dive. My Hardtails are pretty heavy. Pretty substantial body and no neck dive. The original Icon isn't quite as heavy but doesn't suffer from neck dive either.

Hopefully they kept the quality of the Hardtails. The original Icon was a nicely built guitar and I got mine for a steal after they were discontinued. But I think the Hardtails were better. The Korean Hardtails were one of the best (and most consistent) imports that Dean offered, IMO.
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

That ain't a Dean Icon. Well, of course it is but it's not the original Icon. The original Icons were string-thru. Pretty nice guitars actually. There also had some "Elites" made in the Czech Republic that were great (except for the finish ... colors were often funky).
Something happened with the Dean Hardtails (maybe a PRS lawsuit threat) so they changed the body shape and resurrected the name of the long discontinued Icon models. What's interesting is that my original Icon is also a darker sounding guitar, although I wouldn't call it "muddy". But, no neck dive. And those cheap Sung Il bridges are hit or miss as far as buzzing. IME anyway.

This is an original Icon.

iu

Interesting.

As far as String-thru vs hard-tail design, I prefer hard-tail because on a typical hard-tail you can lessen string tension by raising the stop bar piece , but another disappointing aspect to this current line of Dean Icon series is that their stop bar design seems like it is it not designed to accomodate being raised -I tried and the stop bar piece gets way too loose like it might fall out if the two screws that hold it down are not kept all-the-way tight.

And regarding the PRS resemblance, one major reason I bought this guitar was because it has that PRS look but with a neck profile that felt comfortable to me. Something about PRS neck design, has always felt awkward in my hands.
 
Re: Mods/Fixes finally completed - Dean Icon Amber Flametop

Interesting.

As far as String-thru vs hard-tail design, I prefer hard-tail because on a typical hard-tail you can lessen string tension by raising the stop bar piece , but another disappointing aspect to this current line of Dean Icon series is that their stop bar design seems like it is it not designed to accomodate being raised -I tried and the stop bar piece gets way too loose like it might fall out if the two screws that hold it down are not kept all-the-way tight.

And regarding the PRS resemblance, one major reason I bought this guitar was because it has that PRS look but with a neck profile that felt comfortable to me. Something about PRS neck design, has always felt awkward in my hands.

Yes, the original Icon's were clearly Dean guitars take on a PRS as were the Dean Hardtails, and obviously the current Icon. That proprietary tailpiece is meant to secured snug to the body. For those who prefer to raise the tailpiece, or top wrap, unfortunately the bolt spacing of that Dean tailpiece is different than that of a standard Stoptail-piece. Personally, I like the Dean tailpiece. I think it looks cool and it works fine. They were used on the Hardtail model as well as some of the Cadillacs and the Solteros.
 
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