Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to jack

[Hank-]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

WTH is going on in here!

Naked pickup & followed by a half naked guy covered in white paint hiding his face under the open sun 'cause he may or maynot be butt-naked.

 

[rango]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

It wasn’t necessary to take it apart and turn it into a 4-conductor if you are only adding coil splits to the wiring scheme. The GFS pickups you have were assembled ready to handle coil splits quite easily with no further modification. But if you want to learn how it all works, breaking it all down and having to fix it back up is one way to learn it very well.

Boss. So i've tested each cable with DMM for mV jumps when i tap each coil with screw driver for magnet to create electrical curent.

Which cable is start and which cable is an end of each coil ?

GFS Crunch Pat (Bridge 14k)

Screw Coil -- Red wire - Positive DMM reading -

Screw Coil – Black wire - Negative DMM reading -

Slug Coil – Red wire – Negative DMM reading -

Slug Coil – Black wire - Positive DMM reading -

GFS Vintage 59 (Neck 8.0k)

Screw Coil -White wire – Positive DMM reading

Screw Coil -Black wire – Negative DMM reading

Slug Coil - White wire – Negative DMM reading

Slug Coil -- Black wire – Positive DMM reading

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

OMG!

Time for someone to close this thread.

 

[Tone Meister]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

OMG!

Time for someone to close this thread.

Please. "Step away from the humbucker!"

 

[rango]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Please. "Step away from the humbucker!"

No way homie. I figured it out with DMM. This pickup will have 5 colored wires, color coded to SD color scheme in next few days. So will the other one.

Waiting for colored wires to arrive and surgery begins.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

No way homie. I figured it out with DMM. This pickup will have 5 colored wires, color coded to SD color scheme in next few days. So will the other one.

Waiting for colored wires to arrive and surgery begins.

And then can we look forward to another thread asking which colored wires attach to which coil wires?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Or, after the surgery, can we be blessed by a thread which asks us to diagnose what went wrong?

 

[rango]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Pickup manufacturers might as well use all black wire inside the pickup. That would be better practice then MESS they create now. Colors of wires inside pickup are useless and misleading.

DMM can not mislead me. This is how it's going to go down. Then i will wire it and test with amp.

Got rid of colors as they are absolutely useless. I will also test magnet polarity with compass as well.

I was also considering buying any used SD humbucker from ebay and do some revers engineering but doesn't look it will be necessary anymore due to DMM. If i run into issue that will be my next step.


5 wires:

Slug coil Positive DMM reading = North Start

Slug Coil Negative DMM reading = North Finish

Screw Coil Positve DMM reading = South Finish

Screw Coil Negative DMM reading = South Start

5th wire = Ground soldiered onto pickup shield. Kwikplug desoldered.


:dance:

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Why are you using Seymour Duncan wiring diagrams and DMZ wire colors on a GFS pup?! You are setting yourself up for lots of confusion and problems down the road!

In order to avoid confusion later on, why don't you use either the GFS or the SD wire color scheme?!

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Pickup manufacturers might as well use all black wire inside the pickup. That would be better practice then MESS they create now. Colors of wires inside pickup are useless and misleading.

"DMM can not mislead me." This is how it's going to go down. Then i will wire it and test with amp.

Got rid of colors as they are absolutely useless. I will also test magnet polarity with compass as well.

I was also considering buying any used SD humbucker from ebay and do some revers engineering but doesn't look it will be necessary anymore due to DMM. If i run into issue that will be my next step.


5 wires:

Slug coil Positive DMM reading = North Start

Slug Coil Negative DMM reading = North Finish

Screw Coil Positve DMM reading = South Finish

Screw Coil Negative DMM reading = South Start

5th wire = Ground soldiered onto pickup shield. Kwikplug desoldered.


:dance:

How is your multimeter telling you which is the start wire and which is the finish wire of each coil?

 

[Chad]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

This thread. It’s like Chinese water torture. Yet for some reason I keep being drawn in to check it out.

 

[rango]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Colored wires are here. I have just checked with compass polarity of each humbucker magnet.

I have corrected one of the pickups to S.D standard. Both Humbuckers now have same north to south polarity and repel one another when screws or poles are faced to each other.

The wiring should take care of the rest, inphase, out of phase. The installation orientation will be screws out, slugs in so they still repel one another so two norths will be on inside.

Apparently comparing this to Epiphone/Gibson and GFS pickup that's not how neck polarity was setup. Haaa....interesting!

If this isn't correct please let me know. Thank you.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Why are you using Seymour Duncan wiring diagrams and DMZ wire colors on a GFS pup?! You are setting yourself up for lots of confusion and problems down the road!

In order to avoid confusion later on, why don't you use either the GFS or the SD wire color scheme?!

He said he did the smart thing and got rid of wire colors, so as not to confuse and mislead. So apparently now they are all black wires and he’s going use a multimeter to determine start and end each time. What could go wrong?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

He said he did the smart thing and got rid of wire colors, so as not to confuse and mislead. So apparently now they are all black wires and he’s going use a multimeter to determine start and end each time. What could go wrong?

Indeed, what COULD go wrong!

Now he says he "corrected" ONE of the pups to SD color scheme. I assume he left the other as DMZ colors. ON GFS pups, no less!

Yes, indeed, what could possibly go wrong!?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

This thread. It’s like Chinese water torture. Yet for some reason I keep being drawn in to check it out.

It's more like slapstick comedy. Or a dramatic series on TV. Each episode ends with a "cliffhanger" so you can't wait to tune in to the next episode.

We humans now-a-days can't seem to get enough horror. It's why we slow down on the freeway when we pass an accident...not to be safe, but to see any possible blood and guts. Or a decapitated limb or head. We thrive on that possibility of experiencing horror.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

You know, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced that rango is a troll and this whole thread is being very carefully manipulated by him. (Notice how he doesn't actually/directly answer our specific questions, but rather directs us where he wants us to go?)

Nobody...I mean absolutely NOBODY could really be this dense and make so many basic mistakes over and over, totally ignoring our advice. So we have to admit that he actually is pretty smart to be able to fool all of us into wasting so much of our time that could have been spent helping someone who really needed it.

I, for one, am not falling for it anymore.

 

[rango]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

You know, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced that rango is a troll and this whole thread is being very carefully manipulated by him. (Notice how he doesn't actually/directly answer our specific questions, but rather directs us where he wants us to go?)

Nobody...I mean absolutely NOBODY could really be this dense and make so many basic mistakes over and over, totally ignoring our advice. So we have to admit that he actually is pretty smart to be able to fool all of us into wasting so much of our time that could have been spent helping someone who really needed it.

I, for one, am not falling for it anymore.

DUDE, Please leave my thread and don't come back. You offered ZERO value to this thread, Zero and now you're spamming this board!

All i heard from you "Close this thread", "Take it to professional" and now you're calling me a troll "I'm convinced that rango is a troll"

Furthermore i wasn't really helped in this thread to accomplish what i wanted to accomplish. Clear agenda going on here. I'm not going to play some games with ppl with agenda. Don't know what the agenda is and i don't care frankly.

I notice Zanymous has 6 posts. What you guys suspended his account by baiting him just like you're baiting me now.

I also don't care that you have 10k posts. Clearly you treat new members like noob trash. That's evident by your responses or lack of them. You answer questions with questions. That's useless.

I appreciate peoples help but there was no help. I kept digging myself. Your toxicity has toxified this thread and others wont post now.

I will accomplish what i want to accomplish. I learn by doing and learning from my mistakes, not be spending money at professional luthier.

You are ridiculing me for trying to do it myself. Yet another brilliant way of your help.

I appreciate ANYONES that can offer some help. If you're going to troll me and toxify my thread don't comment so others can.

Now get out!

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

You offered ZERO value to this thread, Zero and now you're spamming this board!

This proves exactly what I just said in post #53...you aren't listening/paying attention/learning from anything anyone has posted in trying to help you.

Reread my posts 16, 20, 22, 26, 31, 46, and even 36 and 53 (which actually WERE trying to help you).

All i heard from you "Close this thread"

Give me a break! This is only what you WANTED to "hear" and remember from me from my post #50 (of a dozen posts)...and this, out of sheer frustration that we ALL were feeling from your lack of listening to us.

Furthermore i wasn't really helped in this thread to accomplish what i wanted to accomplish.

OMG!!!

Are you freaking kidding me !!!!!

This thread you started has 77 posts full of helpful suggestions from many forum members. If you feel that you haven't been helped, AGAIN this proves that you have been unwilling to accept our help. NOT that it hasn't been given.

I also don't care that you have 10k posts. Clearly you treat new members like noob trash.

You don't even know me. You don't know the hundreds, perhaps even thousands of hours I have spent on this forum trying to help others (yes, and even noobes like you included). Again, you need to reread my first half a dozen posts where I was treating you with respect and trying to help you.

You have no foundation to criticize ANYONE on this forum, let alone me.

That's evident by your responses or lack of them. You answer questions with questions. That's useless.

My "LACK" of responses! I've devoted many hours responding to your questions and trying to help you with your mistakes and trying to help you avoid many more mistakes down the road. Asking you questions, like everyone else who has responded to you, is a way of understanding what a specific problem may be. We can't help if we don't know what the problem is. Perhaps you have been spoonfed with only the answers throughout your life, or have been given everything you've ever needed before you even asked, but if you think that our asking you questions is "useless" perhaps you need to mature a bit before opening your front door to reality.

I appreciate peoples help but there was no help.

Yes, that's right. No help at all! At least not that YOU have received. But not because you haven't been given help.

others wont post now.

If others won't post, or have stopped posting, it is because they are also tired of your antics.

I will accomplish what i want to accomplish. I learn by doing and learning from my mistakes, not be spending money at professional luthier.

I was just advising you to get help accomplishing your goal (from a luthier) because you CAN'T accomplish it on your own. You AREN'T "learning from (your) mistakes" or the help we have offered you. If it costs money, so be it...you are not willing to accept the FREE advice we have given you. MAN, what do you want. How entitled do you think you are?!

You are ridiculing me for trying to do it myself.

No. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
If there is any ridicule it is because you aren't trying to accept the help the way we are giving it...NOT for your wanting to do it yourself. This forum is all about helping people learn to do it themselves. If it weren't for that objective (to help others understand so they can do it themselves) this forum would not exist.

By the way. Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

 

[zionstrat]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

Doc, I've been busy and away from the forum, but I appreciate all you do but did get some comic relief reading all of this thread at once.

I think you may have nailed the problem with the age question...

I've got a 10 year old piano/key student who questioned everything and told me that I didn't know what I'm doing... Notation would be much better if we just wrote out note names...but reduced charts are useless because who knows what notes the original guitarist + keyboard+ bass were actually playing etc.

Of course, he knew so little that he didn't know what he didn't know...

But a year later, we've switched the questioning into how does this lesson connect to what I already know... 180 degree attitude shift because he has learned basics.

Some of this is age, some is distrust of authority, some is intelligence... Sounds like you may be hitting all of this with this thread...

Or it's the most detirmined troll to ever post on SDUG

Sent from my SM-G960U1 using Tapatalk

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Multimeter shows pots resistance instead of pickup resistance when connected to j

DUDE, Please leave my thread and don't come back. You offered ZERO value to this thread, Zero and now you're spamming this board!

All i heard from you "Close this thread", "Take it to professional" and now you're calling me a troll "I'm convinced that rango is a troll"

Furthermore i wasn't really helped in this thread to accomplish what i wanted to accomplish. Clear agenda going on here. I'm not going to play some games with ppl with agenda. Don't know what the agenda is and i don't care frankly.

I notice Zanymous has 6 posts. What you guys suspended his account by baiting him just like you're baiting me now.

I also don't care that you have 10k posts. Clearly you treat new members like noob trash. That's evident by your responses or lack of them. You answer questions with questions. That's useless.

I appreciate peoples help but there was no help. I kept digging myself. Your toxicity has toxified this thread and others wont post now.

I will accomplish what i want to accomplish. I learn by doing and learning from my mistakes, not be spending money at professional luthier.

You are ridiculing me for trying to do it myself. Yet another brilliant way of your help.

I appreciate ANYONES that can offer some help. If you're going to troll me and toxify my thread don't comment so others can.

Now get out!

You have every right to get upset with someone here and to state so in various different ways. But you cross a line and display huge arrogance by angrily ordering someone to get out of "your" thread. If you seek that level of absolute power over those in conversation with you, then you chose the wrong communication format in the first place. An open Internet forum offered by a company to which you have no connection is not the place. Go publish a similar thread on a Website that you control, if you wish to order people in and out as you see fit.

Most here have given you fair advice, but have run into an impenetrable wall of, shall we say, "foolishness," and foul attitude. Whatever. That happens all the time here. It comes with the territory of frequenting Internet forums. Nobody can say you aren't allowed to make a fool of yourself. But you don't get to come in here and tell others to "get out," for any reason.

If I have noticed anything in Internet forums over the decades I've been on them, it's that the people who order others to "get out" are always the ones who really should get out. There's a certain level of conceptual misunderstanding of the type of communication format this is when they act as if they can order others to come and go.

I think you should rescind your statements that Guitar Doc should leave the thread, and possibly offer some form of apology for going over the line.