My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

[guitfiddle]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Let's think about it a second, here...

He's going to discover a different feel with the Tele...IF he can make that guitar sing better than his former LP, then his amp will sing better than it did with the LP, new pickups or not. Remember that the lion's share of tone is in the fingers and not the gear.

Next he gets a good tube amp. If he's already making the Tele sing better than the LP, and the tube amp sings better than the SS amp, he's wins.

If he can't make the Tele sing better than the LP, he's toast. IMO, USA Tele > Chinese Epi any day of the week, but that might not be true for him.

 

[blueman335]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Let's think about it a second, here...

He's going to discover a different feel with the Tele...IF he can make that guitar sing better than his former LP, then his amp will sing better than it did with the LP, new pickups or not. Remember that the lion's share of tone is in the fingers and not the gear.

Next he gets a good tube amp. If he's already making the Tele sing better than the LP, and the tube amp sings better than the SS amp, he's wins.

If he can't make the Tele sing better than the LP, he's toast. IMO, USA Tele > Chinese Epi any day of the week, but that might not be true for him.

My Epi LP's with a pair of Seymours will blow away a Tele tonewise. Done it many times. Maybe it's my fingers. If he can't 'sing' with an (upgraded) LP, he's got little chance of that happening with a Tele.

 

[blueman335]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

let's see $800 for an extra fret

or $150 for some duncans and $650 for a Blues Jr. Tube Amp.

The latter seems like the more rational choice in my eyes....

+1. And you can get a Blues Jr for less than $650. No one's playing requires 24 frets, and you can certainly live with 21.

 

[guitfiddle]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

My Epi LP's with a pair of Seymours will blow away a Tele tonewise. Done it many times. Maybe it's my fingers. If he can't 'sing' with an (upgraded) LP, he's got little chance of that happening with a Tele.

:chairfall

Not being a Tele player, you are remarkably unqualified to say if the guy in question will sound better or not.

You don't seem to ever judge Teles by their own merits, because you are so biased and closed to what they do in the right hands. I bet you take one look and see a Tele, and the blinders go right up.

Well, enjoy your false sense of superiority about using a different guitar.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

:chairfall

Not being a Tele player, you are remarkably unqualified to say if the guy in question will sound better or not.

You don't seem to ever judge Teles by their own merits, because you are so biased and closed to what they do in the right hands. I bet you take one look and see a Tele, and the blinders go right up.

Well, enjoy your false sense of superiority about using a different guitar.

Wow, that's pretty harsh.

I'm not a "Tele Player" either but , to an extent, I would have to agree with Blueman. I've got a Tele, upgraded both pups, and played it a lot. That guitar just does not compete with a good LP or SG in playability or tone. Mind you, I LOVE the tone of a good twangy tele in the right hands, it's not the tone that bothers me. It's just in a totally different league of guitars than just about anything else. To make it sing, you've got to be "made" for it. To make a LP sing you just have to be good.

Admittedly there are some players who make a Tele sing like no other guitar. But in reality, they are few and far between.

Chances are that if you can't connect with a LP, a Tele will be your worst nightmare.

Oops. Sorry, didn't mean to get so passionate.

 

[astrozombie]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Lots of good points being thrown around...

Funkfingers: he's not really my brother, I meant bro as good friend.

I could take if off his hands for say... $700?

 

[H8Red442]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

....and you miss out on lots of good stuff because of it

Not really. I have awesome guitars.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

off topic, but not...(??)

Ive always hated the looks of teles and the "twang" . never could figure why rock guys like Keef played em.. I bought mine just cuz I figured I should have that tone in my arsenal.. But... the more I play it, the more I like it.. It does so much.. I play with less gain, and I actually enjoy playing clean. That is making my playing MUCH better..

 

[astrozombie]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

^^
you aren't a 20 year old guy who wants to play in "heavier" band. You seem to be a guitarist who can appreciate an instrument.

 

[cronnin]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Solid State Amps are the future. I use a Tech 21 and would never go back to Valve amps. With the energy ratings being tightened up around the world you might find things like valves are to come by soon.

That's the same as I thought in the '90-ies when I was young. We all had crappy SS 8W amplifiers, and then a friend came up with a Pandora Box. I was thinking - Oh my God this probably sounds way better than any tube amp.
Than later Zoom, or whatever, don't remember exactly.

And there was all that hype about digital music, CD-s, mp3, sampling, Boss GT, I was really thinking for some time that digital era started and that tube amps will be put asleep

Now I know better.

Simply stated....

Playing a good tube amp is like having sex with a beautiful girl, and playing SS amp is like having sex with a corpse.


@astrozombie

I agree with you, he should have bought a tube amp.

it's like 10x greater difference if you plug your Epi LP Custom into HotRod DeVille, than when you plug $2000 MusicMan into Fender Frontman.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

ya know
he may have got the primo guitar thinking zombie was about to go all ADD on that Fender tube amp he's got

Bro's think alike you know

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Simply stated....

Playing a good tube amp is like having sex with a beautiful girl, and playing SS amp is like having sex with her sister.

fixed

 

[sosomething]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Really. I can't see going from an LP to a Tele.

Of course you can't.

 

[blueman335]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Wow, that's pretty harsh.

I'm not a "Tele Player" either but , to an extent, I would have to agree with Blueman. I've got a Tele, upgraded both pups, and played it a lot. That guitar just does not compete with a good LP or SG in playability or tone. Mind you, I LOVE the tone of a good twangy tele in the right hands, it's not the tone that bothers me. It's just in a totally different league of guitars than just about anything else. To make it sing, you've got to be "made" for it. To make a LP sing you just have to be good.

Admittedly there are some players who make a Tele sing like no other guitar. But in reality, they are few and far between.

Chances are that if you can't connect with a LP, a Tele will be your worst nightmare.

Oops. Sorry, didn't mean to get so passionate.

Thank you. Yes, occasionally Teles do sound good, but it ain't the average player doing it (Jimmy Page comes to mind). Roy Buchanan was a very talented guitarist, but OMG, his tones are so shrill and annoying. If only he'd have played LP's, I could listen to him all day. And don't get me started on the tones that the average Strat player comes up with...

 

[ganzosrevenge]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

+1. And you can get a Blues Jr for less than $650. No one's playing requires 24 frets, and you can certainly live with 21.

I know, it was a generalization. Where I am they're $649 at the GC.

As for the tele.... teles are harsh, and so are strats, and then you stick a nice big fat HB in them (a C8 or a brobucker should do the trick) and then they fill out nicely. Part of it is also wood.... Imagine a mahogany tele, with a '59n / C8 combination, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be lacking in the "thin" department for very long.

Jason

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

My Epi LP's with a pair of Seymours will blow away a Tele tonewise. Done it many times. Maybe it's my fingers. If he can't 'sing' with an (upgraded) LP, he's got little chance of that happening with a Tele.

Tell you what; post clips of your LP and I'll post clips of my Tele.

 

[sosomething]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

I could surprise a few of you guys with what I do on (to?) a Tele...

 

[cronnin]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

He he. Here's my Tele Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9PVnU9hRE

Too much gain, but what the hell... I like when it rattles.

You have a clean sample somewhere around, too.

 

[TimmyPage]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

cool guitar, but crap priorities man. buying a great guitar and putting it through a mediocre amp will still yield mediocre sounds.

Being a good guitar player on mediocre gear will produce good sounds. Those frontman 212 amps are great for clean sounds, I've even gigged with them a few times (the club happened to have one sitting around, and another time I borrowed one from my school to play a different gig)

 

[Kam]

Re: My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

Tell you what; post clips of your LP and I'll post clips of my Tele.

Ha! The gauntlet has been laid down. This could get interesting... :naughty: