My bro made up his mind and bought a guitar...

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ganzosrevenge said:
Part of it is also wood.... Imagine a mahogany tele, with a '59n / C8 combination, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be lacking in the "thin" department for very long.
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Agreed, a mahogany Tele with a C8/'59N would sound pretty good. But when you've gone that far, why not just get an LP? Looking at the reverse, how many LP players would want a maple/ash flat top LP with skinny Fender singlecoils in it? You see Fenders beefed up with HB's and warmer woods, but how appealing would 'Fenderized' (neutered) Gibsons be?
 
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blueman335 said:
Agreed, a mahogany Tele with a C8/'59N would sound pretty good. But when you've gone that far, why not just get an LP? Looking at the reverse, how many LP players would want a maple/ash flat top LP with skinny Fender singlecoils in it? You see Fenders beefed up with HB's and warmer woods, but how appealing would 'Fenderized' (neutered) Gibsons be?
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Blueman.... Feast your eyes on this!
SG3WEBCH1.JPG

When i first saw this, this was me: :banghead:

WHY!!!!!!!

But in all seriousness, to get back on topic AZ, we've established three things.
a) A good amp is more important than a good guitar, and you can get the good amp and have enough change left over for good pups for a LP.
b) Some people (ie: Blueman335) like thick sounds, others like to pay dearly for ONE fret and sound thin in the process (unless they put in quarterpounds or something)
c) a "tele v. LP" shootout to settle this would be /epics

Jason
 
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blueman335 said:
I have no idea how to post a soundclip. Who knows how to do it?
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If you've got a mic and a way to plug it into your computer then you can download Audacity, which is a free recording program that's actually pretty decent. Then you can make a soundclick account and upload your tracks there (also for free).
 
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blueman335 said:
Agreed, a mahogany Tele with a C8/'59N would sound pretty good. But when you've gone that far, why not just get an LP? Looking at the reverse, how many LP players would want a maple/ash flat top LP with skinny Fender singlecoils in it? You see Fenders beefed up with HB's and warmer woods, but how appealing would 'Fenderized' (neutered) Gibsons be?
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Pretty damn appealing:

elcamino01_reflection.jpg
 
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ganzosrevenge said:
Blueman.... Feast your eyes on this!
SG3WEBCH1.JPG

When i first saw this, this was me: :banghead:
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The SG's that came out in the 1970's left a lot to be desired; they are considered by experts to be the low point in Gibson guitar design, and best forgotten. Sales of the 1970's SG models were poor, as they had little appeal to the public It finally dawned on Gibson in the early 1980's to go back to the original 1960's specs. Voila. The light clicked on!
 
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blueman335 said:
The SG's that came out in the 1970's left a lot to be desired; they are considered by experts to be the low point in Gibson guitar design, and best forgotten. Sales of the 1970's SG models were poor, as they had little appeal to the public It finally dawned on Gibson in the early 1980's to go back to the original 1960's specs. Voila. The light clicked on!
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The SG I sent ya is from 2008 from the Gibson GOTW era.

It's Rubbish
 
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ganzosrevenge said:
The SG I sent ya is from 2008 from the Gibson GOTW era.

It's Rubbish
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:lmao:

I'd actually really like to try one of those, just out of curiosity.

And lets not forget the raw power series they've released with all maple bodies and fingerboards.
 
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Which brings me to the question....

If Teles are so superior to LP's, Why is it so popular to try and turn it into a LP by putting humbuckers in it?? And why do you rarely hear of someone trying to make a LP into a Tele by putting a Broadcaster or a Jerry Donahue in it??
 
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GuitarDoc said:
Which brings me to the question....

If Teles are so superior to LP's, Why is it so popular to try and turn it into a LP by putting humbuckers in it?? And why do you rarely hear of someone trying to make a LP into a Tele by putting a Broadcaster or a Jerry Donahue in it??
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I don't think it has anything to do with sound:
1. A tele is generally a lot cheaper than an LP, thus people are more willing to cut them up
2. An LP has routs for HBs and a curved top . . . you would have to fill the route and reroute for single coil sized pickups, or get some kind of custom designed pickup ring to do this. It's a lot easier to just widen a hole.
 
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GuitarDoc said:
PEARLY GATES???? HMMMMMMMmmmmmmmm. And you think this is a Tele?
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With set neck, mahagony body and 2 humbuckers? :)
It sounds nowhere near a classic Telecaster.

But they are just too beautiful, and have so lovely necks :)
 
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GuitarStv said:
I don't think it has anything to do with sound:
1. A tele is generally a lot cheaper than an LP, thus people are more willing to cut them up
2. An LP has routs for HBs and a curved top . . . you would have to fill the route and reroute for single coil sized pickups, or get some kind of custom designed pickup ring to do this. It's a lot easier to just widen a hole.
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I'm trying to compare a stock Tele with a stock LP. Seems like if people thought the Tele was a better sounding guitar, they wouldn't be trying to turn it into a LP.
 
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Anyway, to each his own. My general preference is LP. I'm currently very turned on by my '66 Wilshire, however.

I Also love my Strat. I love a great Tele twang also, but I just can't get a Tele to perform in my hands. More power to the really good Tele Players. My hat's off to you.
 
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GuitarDoc said:
I'm trying to compare a stock Tele with a stock LP. Seems like if people thought the Tele was a better sounding guitar, they wouldn't be trying to turn it into a LP.
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If modding a Tele with HBs makes it not a Tele, then how is the dual HB LP a real LP, since for the first 5 years of it's life it had single coils?:smokin:

Gibson upgraded the original design to get a beefier tone and kill the hum, but that must somehow be wrong for a Tele player to do.

A Tele can't be a Tele in anything else than it's original specs?


:chairfall
 
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What about people coil-tapping their Les Paul pickups? What about putting in 'bucker sized P90s?

It's a lot easier to make a Tele more Lester-like than to make a Paul more Tele-like.

And to be fair, when people put humbuckers in their Teles I don't automatically assume that they're trying to make them more like a Les Paul. Yeah, the similarities are there in the body shape but that's it. Maybe they just want to beef up their tele a bit? The same reason people take out PAFs and put high-output 'buckers into Les Pauls.

I have a Strat copy with a humbucker in the bridge. It sounds nothing like a Les Paul. But I really dig the sound out of it, it works for what I want it to do. I wouldn't replace it with a Les Paul and I surely wouldn't put a single in the bridge.

People need to realise that HH Teles are respectable instruments in their own right, they're not necessarily a stop-gap for anything. They're not just a half-measure or a substitute for some other guitar that you can't afford. They have their own individual sound and some people love them for that. People who DON'T want a Les Paul...
 
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GuitarDoc said:
I'm trying to compare a stock Tele with a stock LP. Seems like if people thought the Tele was a better sounding guitar, they wouldn't be trying to turn it into a LP.
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I must agree with Stv on this one.
The problem was more of a technical nature.

Nowdays we have humbucker sized singles:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/specialized-1/sound_of_strat/

but you will probbaly get a better strat sound with a good $150 Squier with just pickup replacement.


LP is generally dark sounding guitar, if you put single coils in it, they may sound lame. On the other hand, excessive treble from Tele can't be much of a turnoff with high output humbuckers.
One can correct this with just going with ALnico version of the ceramic pickup.

Anyway, you can't say weather Tele is better than LP, they are just so much different, and hard to compare tone wise.
It's hard to have a guitar that will hover over everything in all styles of music.
 
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guitfiddle said:
If modding a Tele with HBs makes it not a Tele, then how is the dual HB LP a real LP, since for the first 5 years of it's life it had single coils?:smokin::chairfall
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. There you go. Now your talking about THE real LP. That's my kind of guitar. LP + P-90's.

But...P-90 is not your typical single coil. Bigger, beefier, midrangier, tonier, lovelier, bitier, heavenlier, wonderfullness.
 
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