My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

What's up guys?

So, many of you know my Green Buddy, the project guitar I bought last September and have been working on. Well, by working on I mean I haven't done anything, cause I have no money. But when I am done, every single thing except the wood and the headstock logo will have been changed (literally). Here are the first two topics:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=85694
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=86842

Long story short, the guitar shipped (and I knew this) with electronics that did not work. Well, the pups seemed to work but the pots were all sheared off, and verything was garbage. I plugged it in once, played for under a minute, and then unplugged it and ripped everything out. Haven't heard it since. I am planning on getting new pups and electronics for it, but installation is going to kill me (upwards of $100 probably).

So two days ago, I got an idea. I still have all of my pots and stuff from my Epi Les Paul (that I don't have anymore :yell:) when I changed all the electronics in that (thanks Bada Bing!). But nothing was together (just 4 pots, the jack and switch, and wires all separate). And I have never done any electric work or soldering, hell I'd never even touched a soldering iron. But I got this idea to put everything back together, and hook it up to the 40 year old pups in the guitar.

Well I did just that! I put everything together, and I had a ton of wires and stuff coming out of the guitar. I couldn't put anything in, because I'm not good at that - this being a semi-hollowbody, it's really hard to put stuff in. But I wired it all up, and after some grounding issues, the guitar was making noise (only from one pup though)! That was yesterday.

Today, this afternoon, I decided to get both working. So after a while, both pups were working (biggest smile since my Gibby came in the mail, by the way)! But everything still dangled down when you played, since no pots or switches were attached to anything except wires. So I came up with this solution this afternoon:

Basically I have everything going through a piece of cardboard, and then that piece of carboard is in a ziplock bag. the ziploc bag is screwed to the pickguard (or rather, the pickguard screw goes through the corner of the bag). This way, the whole system is self supportive. I am a genious!!!!

Long story short, I have an actual, working guitar for once. And these old pups sound pretty good! This is the happiest I've been in a long time. I played a little D-A-G song through the phone to my girlfriend, and it's the happiest I've heard her in a long time (this is technically her guitar :)). Thanks everyone for all the help!

Here's the pic - goofy I know, but hey, it works:
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Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

lol
I guess this guitar is old hat by now. Regardless, this made my month!
Speial thanks to Low Fidelity by the way.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

I like it - I'll be interested to see how it all goes together. I still think this is one the prettiest guitars I've seen - I like the green/white.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

Damn...that thing would suck to have to wire up.

I feel for you.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

To wire it up for real, make another piece of cardboard with holes that match the ones in the guitar. Mount the pots in that temporarily while you solder it all up, leaving slack so the whole assembly can flex during installation. Install the switch and jack ahead of time, with their wires running out through the F-hole to the pot assembly.

Once its all working, run four pieces of string through the 4 pot holes. Then, remove the pre-wired pots from the cardboard, tie the strings onto the shafts, and gently pull the pots in through the F-holes to their correct spots.

Not easy, but do-able.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

RW, thanks that means a lot to me. It really does.

Black, no kidding! Rich is right, but even so!

Rich, thank you very much! I actually remember your various threads on the issue. I looked them up yesterday for help. I'm sure I could get everything to go where it needs to go, but I'm not confident at all in my soldering ability. Basically, I don't want to get it all in there and then have some wire go undone. That'd piss me off! I'd rather get it professionally done, so that I don't have to worry about it. But thnks all the same! Someday, I might be good at soldering, and I'll think back to you when I do.

Thanks guys!
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

That's a cool guitar. Glad to hear things are starting to work out for ya. This thread is making me wish I would work on my semi-hollow but I don't even know where to begin.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

I'll say it once, I'll say it again, that guitar has a name. It is Mojo.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

Thank you both very much! I wish I had the money right now to do the guuitar justice. Someday soon (probably this summer). But since I lost my $25/week job, I haven't had any money. Sucks!

Anyways, thanks guys it means a lot to me! :)
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

For some odd reason, the pups go out every once in a while, so obviously some wire is loose. I think it's the input jack actually. All you gotta do is bump the 'bag' and the sound comes back though.

I guess I gotta take the silly thing apart. *sigh*
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

You coulda used green card!!!!
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

It would have matched the body colour then!
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

It is up to you, but if you can get it working to the extent that you have now, I'm sure that you can complete the job by working through the pickup cavity or "f" hole.

If you use shielded wire, your grounds will run with the hots and the ground connections will make the connections to the pots more stable/secure. Also, a lot fewer wires to be concerned about and tends to help reduce noise.

As Rich said, leave extra wire length between each component in case you need to work on part of the wiring harness after it has been installed in the guitar.

It's "in the bag" man, now just get it in the guitar.

You can do it.

Take your time, make nice solder joints, keep it tidy and give yourself some extra length on the wire.

That guitar sure has mojo, do the work yourself and add to the mojo. (will also impress the GF/owner)

Good Luck

Dave
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

greco, you might be right. I'm inspired now!

Here's the thing: I will not know how to wire it if everything is apart. See, with the old wiring rig I had to connect everything, but there were little pieces of wire still stuck to the original soldering joints, so I just had to match up the little pieces with the long wires. But if I just have 4 pots, caps, and the switches, and wire, then I'll be completely stuck. I have a really hard time reading wiring diagrams. I think I could just save the rig I have now, but I don't think the tone knobs are wired correctly.

Regardless, that might be a really good idea! With the money I save from installation, I could easily get nice pups faster.

Thank you very much greco! Made my day!
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

Can you follow the type of diagram in the link?

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/schematics/schematicspdf/2h_2v_2t_3w.pdf

I assume your pickups are 2 wire (conductor + braided shield)

Do you have some shielded single conductor wire? Thin diameter wire is preferred. Shielded single conductor wire can often be purchased with RCA plugs attached for very little. Not maybe the best shielding, but it will work. This type of wire has plastic insulation over the copper shield and then another layer of insulation and then the centre conductor.

The worst that could happen is that you might toast a pot or get mad or burn your fingers or all of the aforementioned.

Just replace the wires one at a time, soldering one end at a time. This is a bit like paint-by-number electronics but that approach is legal (in most states).

YOU CAN DO THIS. Just take your time.

Keep posting questions here if you get stuck, etc.

Dave
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

Wow that's the best diagram I've ever seen. Super super easy! I keep learning why Seymour is such a brilliant man.

Regardless, yeah I bet I can do that! I have braided wire from Bada Bing!, about three feet. Besides the braided wire, what other wire do I need?

Thank you very much greco!
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

That sounds like plenty of wire.

Just watch that the braid/sheild doesn't come in contact anywhere with the centre connector = "hot" (or a terminal/connection that the hot connects to) when you put everything back into the guitar.

Be sure to look at the "little" diagram in the box in the bottom left corner of the wiring diagram.

Solder up the harness and test it outside of the guitar.

Then decide if you are going to pull the pots, switch, jack through the "f" holes or the pickup cavity. From the pic of your axe, the "f" holes are not the traditional shape and are more like "S" holes (that sounds really bad when you say it....oh well) and the pots might not be easy to get through those. (How did you take the existing pots out?) Hence, going through a pickup cavity might be better. If you have a centre block of wood, make sure you can get the pots through the holes/routed areas in the centre block first. Are the pots about the diameter of a $0.25 cent piece? ...or small diameter? Small pots will likely be easier to work with.

I have to get home from work now but I'll keep watching this thread. Others might have some ideas for you also.

Dave
 
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Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

Thank you very much dave!

So you have to solder the braided wire cover (the braid) to the volume pot? I see the diagram, and it seems pretty straightforward, I just wanna make sure.

And yeah, there is a center block of wood. I haven't bought the pots or anything yet (I'm probably going to start this project next Monday, after my midterm). What is the difference with small pots, besides size? Any tonal difference? The original pots did fit through the F holes, through the bottom.
 
Re: My Green machine related - amazing news! Best day of the last 2 months!

that's awesome, andrew!!!

it's like "ghetto beautiful"

congrats bro.
 
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