My Take On The Whole Lotta Humbucker Set

Jeff_H

Dean Hardtail Fanologist
I have been fortunate enough to have a WLH set on loan from an amazing friend for the past couple of weeks, so I could see if they worked for me. Before I begin my review, I feel compelled to admit yet again that I am a huge Alnico 2 magnet fan and have generally struggled with A5 pickups, beginning many years ago with the C5 in an Epi LP.

The WLH set was installed in my Spalted Maple USA Dean Hardtail. For those not familiar it's a Honduran Mahoganh body, maple cap double cut guitar in the same vein as a PRS. It's a TOM/Stoptail setup with Les Paul style controls. I'll post a pic at the bottom of the post. It's a tad bit of a dark guitar, because the Spalted Maple is very soft compared to a hard maple flamed top. The tone is overall very well balanced, so I've always thought of it as a good test bed for pickups.

I though my Hardtail, being a bit dark, might provide a good gateway to an A5 pickup set. They're installed with all 525K CTS pots and .022uf/.015uf PIO caps, 50's style with independent volume controls.

Once installed I set them to my normal height and plugged into the DSL40c. I always try to dial pickups in on my clean channel. The set was VERY bright. The bridge, for me was painfully bright and a bit sterile sounding. I raised the pickup and that helped a bit, and I lowered the screws which helped a bit more, but still bright and not as organic as I'm used to.

The neck pickup was also bright, but not to the level of the bridge. I already had to keep it a bit lower than normal, since it's a bit hotter than most PAF necks. Keeping the pole pieces low also helped tame the brightness in the neck. I was able to get the neck to a point where it was fairly usable. Still bright but a bit of roll off on the tone knob made a big difference. However, now it didn't balance with the bridge. The bridge was noticeably louder. More drop off from B to N than I like in my guitars. If I lowered the bridge to balance the volume, the bridge sounded thin and trebly.

Over the next week or so I played with the heights, pole pieces, etc. I adjusted the settings on my amp which helped some. I even changed the caps to .033uf/.022uf. I was able to get some very good classic and hard rock tones out of it, but there was always a touch of brightness or almost sterility to the tone that I just couldn't dial out, for the tones I like. I was also not able to get the balance between neck and bridge just where I wanted it either. Maybe I'd like them more in an LP, or another guitar?? The only LP I have currently is my Pelham Blue '57 RI, and I finally have it dialed in just how I wanted, so I wasn't going to mess with it.

I don't want to imply that the pickups aren't good, because they are. The neck has some great bluesy and overdriven tones and the cleans are very useable. The bridge is very crunchy and driven with great tight lows and can handle everything my Marshall has to give. There would be no issue with these handling copious levels of hard rock gain. I think they do exactly what they're designed to do. If you're a fan of bright, edgy, slightly hotter pickups in the PAF vein then you'll be very happy with these.

For me, they're just a bit bright and stringent and lacking in the warmth I love from A2 pickups, but they're a great set of pickups for that bright, driven classic and hard rock tone.

I hope this opinion can help someone, but in the end it's just my opinion.

Pic of my Hardtail:

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Beautiful guitar- I felt the BurstBucker Pros that came with my Les Paul fit that same description. I swapped them with a pair of Slash signature pickups, and it got rid of the cold sterile tone, but it was lacking the bite I wanted- still looking for what I want
 
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I have been fortunate enough to have a WLH set on loan from an amazing friend for the past couple of weeks, so I could see if they worked for me. Before I begin my review, I feel compelled to admit yet again that I am a huge Alnico 2 magnet fan and have generally struggled with A5 pickups, beginning many years ago with the C5 in an Epi LP.

The WLH set was installed in my Spalted Maple USA Dean Hardtail. For those not familiar it's a Honduran Mahoganh body, maple cap double cut guitar in the same vein as a PRS. It's a TOM/Stoptail setup with Les Paul style controls. I'll post a pic at the bottom of the post. It's a tad bit of a dark guitar, because the Spalted Maple is very soft compared to a hard maple flamed top. The tone is overall very well balanced, so I've always thought of it as a good test bed for pickups.

I though my Hardtail, being a bit dark, might provide a good gateway to an A5 pickup set. They're installed with all 525K CTS pots and .022uf/.015uf PIO caps, 50's style with independent volume controls.

Once installed I set them to my normal height and plugged into the DSL40c. I always try to dial pickups in on my clean channel. The set was VERY bright. The bridge, for me was painfully bright and a bit sterile sounding. I raised the pickup and that helped a bit, and I lowered the screws which helped a bit more, but still bright and not as organic as I'm used to.

The neck pickup was also bright, but not to the level of the bridge. I already had to keep it a bit lower than normal, since it's a bit hotter than most PAF necks. Keeping the pole pieces low also helped tame the brightness in the neck. I was able to get the neck to a point where it was fairly usable. Still bright but a bit of roll off on the tone knob made a big difference. However, now it didn't balance with the bridge. The bridge was noticeably louder. More drop off from B to N than I like in my guitars. If I lowered the bridge to balance the volume, the bridge sounded thin and trebly.

Over the next week or so I played with the heights, pole pieces, etc. I adjusted the settings on my amp which helped some. I even changed the caps to .033uf/.022uf. I was able to get some very good classic and hard rock tones out of it, but there was always a touch of brightness or almost sterility to the tone that I just couldn't dial out, for the tones I like. I was also not able to get the balance between neck and bridge just where I wanted it either. Maybe I'd like them more in an LP, or another guitar?? The only LP I have currently is my Pelham Blue '57 RI, and I finally have it dialed in just how I wanted, so I wasn't going to mess with it.

I don't want to imply that the pickups aren't good, because they are. The neck has some great bluesy and overdriven tones and the cleans are very useable. The bridge is very crunchy and driven with great tight lows and can handle everything my Marshall has to give. There would be no issue with these handling copious levels of hard rock gain. I think they do exactly what they're designed to do. If you're a fan of bright, edgy, slightly hotter pickups in the PAF vein then you'll be very happy with these.

For me, they're just a bit bright and stringent and lacking in the warmth I love from A2 pickups, but they're a great set of pickups for that bright, driven classic and hard rock tone.

I hope this opinion can help someone, but in the end it's just my opinion.

Pic of my Hardtail:

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'Bright' and 'edgy' is exactly how I'd describe live Page tone. It doesn't compare to his studio tones, to me, but hey, that's what he likes. I always wanted a warmer tone from his live sound.
 
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Beautiful guitar- I felt the BurstBucker Pros that came with my Les Paul fit that same description. I swapped them with a pair of Slash signature pickups, and it got rid of the cold sterile tone, but it was lacking the bite I wanted- still looking for what I want

I found the Slash bridge to have a very surprising amount of bite, compared to what I had always found in the APH-1 bridge. I really was impressed. I would wager an RCA5 or an UOA5 might give you that extra umph in the Slash. Even a slightly higher charge on the A2 might do it.
 
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'Bright' and 'edgy' is exactly how I'd describe live Page tone. It doesn't compare to his studio tones, to me, but hey, that's what he likes. I always wanted a warmer tone from his live sound.

Well, Seymour definitely nailed that tone with these. I was impressed with what they did, it just wasn't/isn't the tone for me, at least on that guitar. Maybe in an LP I would have a different opinion.
 
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I’d bet some 250k pots would give you what you’re looking for.

I went through something similar with my LP/Splawn. There was just this certain something in the high end that I didn’t like.
I tried 300k and it was a huge help...once I went to the 250k it was where I wanted it.

The Clip I posted a few weeks ago with my Kramer/Splawn was 250k pots in the Kramer too.
IMO, not too dark at all.
 
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The PAFs in my SG/LP, particularly the bridge, are quite bright. I've heard Bonamassa say this about PAFs, and I agree, that the bridge can have almost a Telecaster quality to it.
 
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If I were planning to keep these pickups I would definitely try some different value pots. I took the WLH out and put in a slightly overwound A2 PAF set with specs very similar to the Slash set. I had them dialed in almost perfectly within 20 minutes. I'm really just an A2 guy at heart, with the exception of the '59b in a Lester.

I've also heard that real PAF's are bright. I'm really ok with bright, as I find some of the A2 PAF clones that I love bright. But the bright can't be harsh. That's a fine line that is a moving target and not the same for any two people.

As much as I love this A2 set I haven't tried or even heard of before, I'm still missing the roar of that Custom I took out to try the WLH set
 
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Weird. I could have written your post almost word for word after the last 2 days. I just reinstalled the Whole Lotta Set into a PRS SE 245. I'm wrestling with them for exactly the same reasons. The bridge pickup's treble is very piercing and stiff, and I can't dial it out with adjustments. It reminds me somewhat of the stiffness and treble of the Screamin' Demon Bridge. I also use more A2 pickups than A5. The WLH neck definitely sounds better with the polepieces near flat even with the bobbin. I'm OK with it, but not the bridge. I've been thinking about pulling the set out and selling them to get the A2 Pro Slash Set.
 
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This whole thread just goes to show how individual tastes are just different; I've yet to encounter an A2 'bucker that I like in anything except a Strat. I've tried a few A2s in my LP and 335, and never liked any of them. The clean sounds were too dull, while the overdriven tones were weak and honky and not in a good way. I recently installed a WLH set in my 335 and they're nothing short of amazing. The bridge is everything I wish a 59 was, and the neck is just amazing. It does a nice, chimey clean, and it does the Slash thing when overdriven without getting mushy. If these had been around 20 years ago, I would never have bought any 59s.
 
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Weird. I could have written your post almost word for word after the last 2 days. I just reinstalled the Whole Lotta Set into a PRS SE 245. I'm wrestling with them for exactly the same reasons. The bridge pickup's treble is very piercing and stiff, and I can't dial it out with adjustments. It reminds me somewhat of the stiffness and treble of the Screamin' Demon Bridge. I also use more A2 pickups than A5. The WLH neck definitely sounds better with the polepieces near flat even with the bobbin. I'm OK with it, but not the bridge. I've been thinking about pulling the set out and selling them to get the A2 Pro Slash Set.

For every reason I didn't love the WLH I absolutely flipped over the Slash Set. It's almost like the Slash Set is a WLH with A2 mags. I know they're not, but the output specs are similar and they're both a hotter take on something else. I found the Slash bridge to be so full & crunchy with nice drive and that A2 warmth, but for me plenty of brightness. The Slash neck is everything about the APH that I love, but with better clarity and note separation. Based on what you've said, I cannot see you not loving the Slash set.

Dystrust, you're so right. Our taste in pickups is so personal and one man's bright is another's perfect. It's why I'm glad Seymour makes so many different type of pickups.
 
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Just how different are the normal A2P compared to the Slash set? I ask because I would be curious to try the Slash set with an A5 magnet. I figure that would be a tweak on the standard Jazz set.

I had a set of A2P in an LP for some time, and I just don't seem to agree with A2 magnets (except Ants)
 
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I always thought the WLH-B is pretty bright and edgy for sure. I don't know what the people that describe them as "warm" are hearing, TBH. The WLH-B isn't as scooped as the '59B, but it's still unmistakably A5, IMO.
 
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Just how different are the normal A2P compared to the Slash set? I ask because I would be curious to try the Slash set with an A5 magnet. I figure that would be a tweak on the standard Jazz set.

I had a set of A2P in an LP for some time, and I just don't seem to agree with A2 magnets (except Ants)


Compared to the A2P set, the Slash set is just more of all the good stuff the A2P has. I've always simply loved the A2P neck, but at times found the bridge a bit underpowered. The Slash bridge is nice and powerful. Actually, it's along the lines of the Brobucker in terms of output. The BB is a bit more powerful, but all things considered a decent comparison.

The Slash set is also brighter than the A2P, as they were designed to make the darker modern Gibson LP's Slash plays sound more like his bright Derrig LP with the A2P's. To me, as much as being brighter, they have better clarity. The A2P neck used to be my go to neck for everything, but the Slash could easily take that spot and I'd be perfectly happy.


I kept hearing that the WLH set was like more of everything that was good about the '59. Well, I feel the same way about the A2P vs the Slash. BTW, MJ makes a set of Slash + pickups and they're essentially thr Slasb set with an A5 magnet. Heck, you might even be able to get the mag swap done as a Shop Floor Custom.
 
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Weird. I could have written your post almost word for word after the last 2 days. I just reinstalled the Whole Lotta Set into a PRS SE 245. I'm wrestling with them for exactly the same reasons. The bridge pickup's treble is very piercing and stiff, and I can't dial it out with adjustments. It reminds me somewhat of the stiffness and treble of the Screamin' Demon Bridge. I also use more A2 pickups than A5. The WLH neck definitely sounds better with the polepieces near flat even with the bobbin. I'm OK with it, but not the bridge. I've been thinking about pulling the set out and selling them to get the A2 Pro Slash Set.

The Demon with an A2 in my Les Paul was one of the top three pickups I've tried in it.
 
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