My thoughts on the Black Winter set

Rex_Rocker

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I know, I know. These are not new, but I thought I'd share my thoughts in case anyone's interested.

A couple of weeks ago or so I got a set of Black Winters for my PRS SE Nick Catanese. It's basically a Les Paul-type with a thick mahogany body, a fat mahogany neck, and an ebony board that gives it a little shimmer and attack. I play mostly Melodic Death Metal and some Metalcore here and there.

At first, I must admit I was a bit underwhelmed. It replaced a WLH-B/Phat Cat N combo. I got them because I played a friend's LTD Eclipse with the Distortion Mayhem set, and I was really digging it. So I got the BW's expecting something completely different from my old vintage-style pickups. It was, and it wasn't. I could tell a difference, but the difference wasn't as humongous as I was expecting. The WLH-B itself is pretty edgy, though. It's probably the fiercest PAF-type that I've tried. The Phat Cat had a killer clean tone, and while the BW-N has a good clean tone in itself, it just doesn't have the warm vintage shimmer of the Phat Cat. The Black Winters, to me, rather than sounding like more pissed off Distortions, sounded like they were more held-back.

This was through my Randall RD1H and Orange PPC112 rig. However, as good as it sounds for a practice amp, it's still a 1W head through a 1x12. So I decided to give them a go through my Krank through my 4x12. Dayumn! Now that's what I'm talking about!

The BW-B sounds a lot more focused than the WLH-B. It has a tighter, faster bottom-end without ever going sterile or thin like some actives can be sometimes. The WLH-B has more mids than other PAF's, but the BW-B just makes it sound so scooped in comparison. The Krank has a lot of bottom and high-end, so it loves mid-focused pickups. The BW-B is right at home. It sounds like a more refined Distortion here. It has some elements that remind me of the JB a little, but it's a lot tighter and more surgical than the JB (and even a little more than the Distortion). It's definitely in that family of pickups, though. I must admit that, to me, it has more in common with the JB than with the Invader, which I wasn't expecting.

The BW-N might not have the open, vintage tone of the Phat Cat, but it has a much smoother and much more focused lead tone. It has a little more bottom-end, but it's never muddy. It has a less open top-end, but it's really fluid and articulate. It's also not nearly as chirpy or scratchy as the Phat Cat in the attack. I'm still undecided about experimenting with a different magnet in it, though.

So all in all, I'm really digging the BW's. The bridge pickup in particiular wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but I'm more than happy with what I got. They're tight, focused, and really modern-sounding with a hint of that old-school edginess that I dig. They're definitely staying.

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Dude, Rex, thanks for posting your review....this is valuable, and your early scepticism really drives home your un biased opinion...good on you mate, well done
 
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Thanks, man. Really wanna try the Nazgul next.
 
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Thanks for posting this review. It's detailed and actually gives more info about the pickups than an audio clip. All that stuff about being a little more or less of this than that is pretty much impossible to convey in an audio clip that's gone through who-knows-what-processing, and, of course, the overall most important factor of the player's hands. Just telling people the details is the fastest and most descriptive way to get them across. Good work!
 
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I also just have installed a set in my sg, and they are some Nice pickups, i can adjustt it to som cruncier blues tone and to brutal metal tones, but i am stil messing around with the pickup height, have you found a sweet spot for Them
 
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thank you man....been watching a set on CL for a month but???Now think I'll pull ye old trigger...
 
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Thank you for posting the review. These kinds of things are really helpful to many people coming here looking for advice and personal experiences with particular pickups.
 
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Thanks for reading the review, dudes. These pickups are really starting to grow on me. As much as I first felt underwhelmed, I'm loving them right now. They're very fierce-sounding, yet they've got a killer clarity under lots of gain, and a great balance between ferocity and refinement.

I also just have installed a set in my sg, and they are some Nice pickups, i can adjustt it to som cruncier blues tone and to brutal metal tones, but i am stil messing around with the pickup height, have you found a sweet spot for Them
I just usually set my bridge pickups as close to the strings I can. I'm pretty heavy-handed, though, so that's usually not super close, or else I get all sorts of clicky sounds from the strings hitting the polepieces. I'd say around 2.5 mm for the bass side, 1.5-2 mm for the treble side. The neck pickup I just set up to where it balances with the bridge pickup.
 
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Sooo, the Black Winter Neck...pretty cool eh? But still a compromise from your emg 81...i am also looking for a great neck pick up that stands on its own...but that would share a guitar with a Sh-5, the Nazgul and the Black Winter bridge...so far my only expierience with neck pick ups is the Gibson 57'Classic wich is actually awesome with a big muff on it...but, i dont really use a muff that often. Could you rundown your neck p'up expierience's? I have a sh-1N havent installed it yet...im even thinking of putting a JB in the neck of my SG, Nazgul bridge...just havent mustered up the inspiration and motivation to get it done.
 
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The BW-N is great with the BW-B, and, as much as I like the 81, I'm not sure how it'd match the BW-B. The 81 was great in the neck with something fatter and hotter in the bridge yet voiced somewhat similar like the 85, the JH-B, or even the Blackout AHB-1B.

As far as actives, I also liked the 60 in the neck for cleans, though I liked the 81 better for leads. I like the 85 in the bridge, but I hate it in the neck.

I've also really liked the Phat Cat neck, but I always had it paired with something in the PAF camp in the bridge position like the '59B, WLH-B, or the Slash bridge. The Phat Cat is great because it has the raunch and a hint of that single coil twang, yet the Alnico 2 keeps it from being overly chirpy. It's still in the vintage camp, though. Not a modern-sounding pickup by any means.

The DiMarzio PAF 36th Anniversary neck is also great. It's smooth and fat, but not muddy or overly boomy. It's not nearly as scooped as other Alnico 5 PAF-types. It is, however, weaker than the Phat Cat even, so I don't know how it'd pair with high-output monsters in the bridge position.

I've also had the Jazz in the neck. Wasn't a fan. Scooped, chirpy, and kinda weak under lots of gain. Clear alright, but at the expense of punch and fluidity. I had it paired with a JB back when, and with a '59B at some point. Never really loved it, but it was better with the '59, IMO.

I absolutely abhor the PAF Pro in the neck. It's super bright with lots of attack. It has kinda cool spanky cleans, but under high-gain, it was just all attack and no juice to the notes to my ears. I've always had it paired with relatively smooth-sounding bridge pickups, though. Still, I always found it odd that my neck position all of a sudden became even brighter than my bridge position when I had the PAF Pro in the neck. It's funny cause I do like the PAF Pro in the bridge.

I currently have a '59B in the neck position of another guitar paired with the BW-B. It's alright. Kinda scooped and boomy, but at least it's not weak and tinny like the Jazz (IMO). The BW-N is a MUCH better compliment to the BW-B, I'll tell you that.

Just my opinion. :)
 
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Thanks for the rundown. ..im even less motivated to install my 59'N now...i was never that psyched on it but i got it dirt cheap
 
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You may want to consider backing your bridge pickup off by maybe 1-1.5mm's. There is a sweet spot between too close and too far. If your strings are hitting the pickup when you play, you're too close to be hitting the sweet spot.

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When I had my BW bridge installed, I had my tech do it since I was resurrecting a guitar that was an old fav and that was in slight disrepair. The high e nut slot and volume pot needed attention along with the neck pup being swapped out.

Anyways, my guitars always come back looking, playing and sounding better than ever before. I don't know what he does other than the repair/installation, cleaning and polishing, but I know he's not doing a full setup unless I specifically ask for one. He just does little tweaks I guess.

The height he set the BW at initially looked too distant to me. Because it was farther away than I usually set a pup.
But man, it sounds GREAT just were he put it. I refuse to mess with it, and haven't since the day it went in. Clear, hot, thick, huge, crunchy and warm.
 
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It's not as close that it hits the strings! It's not really THAT close. I'm aware it's a high-output pickup with a very strong magnet. I just have it close enough so that there is some chunk to the low-end. I'm also REALLY heavy-handed, and I have very out-of-whack technique, I guess, so I can't have it super close even if I wanted to.

Thanks for the rundown. ..im even less motivated to install my 59'N now...i was never that psyched on it but i got it dirt cheap
Don't get me wrong, the '59 is a nice pickup. It's just that I'm really picky. I've read the '59 also takes magnet swaps like a champ, so it may be a cool platform to experiment on. I've got some A4's on the way for mine, and I'm thinking about ordering some 2 and 3's as well. :)
 
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Van noord is it possible to get the pickup height on your guitar with Bw and maybe how Your polepieces are set, i have been adjusting for a couple of hours and have not found the sweet spot yet, dont know if it because it is a powerfull pickup i can't find it yet, on my lower output pickups i find it easy to find the sweetspot
 
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Van noord is it possible to get the pickup height on your guitar with Bw and maybe how Your polepieces are set, i have been adjusting for a couple of hours and have not found the sweet spot yet, dont know if it because it is a powerfull pickup i can't find it yet, on my lower output pickups i find it easy to find the sweetspot
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Don't get me wrong, the '59 is a nice pickup. It's just that I'm really picky. I've read the '59 also takes magnet swaps like a champ, so it may be a cool platform to experiment on. I've got some A4's on the way for mine, and I'm thinking about ordering some 2 and 3's as well. :)
Yeah, im putting the 59 and a JB up for sale to finance a Black Winter bridge....by the way im really loving the Gibson 57 Classic in the neck...but eventually i will aquire a BW neck.
Gonna try out a Screaming Demon and an Alpha as well...someday.
 
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