NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

I have the 60 watts combo version of this thing and it's definitely a keeper.
You may be able to find my review by doing a search...

It's not an amp that copies the classic high-gain sounds... you won't get it to sound exactly like a recto, for example.

Based on my 4 years with mine, it's some sort of a cross between a recto and a 5150...

The mids on it are 90% of its character. They are very singular, very prominent as well, dial'em in with caution.

The active EQ is amazing, such versatility and sensitivity.

6L6 or EL34s, both rock. The 6L6s really turn it into a moder metal machine while the 34's dial it back a notch and bring back the mids a bit more, as would be expected.

My advice: take your time while dialing your tone. Chances are, almost anything you have in mind's in there, but it may take time to zero-in on it. The EQ's sensitive. Also: crank it! That's the only way to really enjoy that baby for sure...

You'll read lots of reviews on-line, most of them are negative. My humble opinion is that these were written by folks who didn't take the time to understand the tone-shaping capabilities of the amp or were expecting the amp to sound like another one...

Have fun and report back!
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

Thank you Surgeon! I really appreciate it Sir.
Would I be able to use 6l6's in my amp by getting it rebiased? I guess I am happy with the El34's, but if I was to be looking for a tighter gain structure, it'd be nice to have a choice.
Now I'll go read the review in full. Thanbks. See, when people take time to review their gear it really does help folks!

EDIT- Holy Cow! Just found out you can run either 6l6's OR El34's in this! Swee-effin'-eet!
 
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Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

I have never played one, but the lead player in my daughter's last band played one and it sounded killer ......

I heard it before I ever saw what he was playing and all I could say was what the hell is that!. It really knocked me out.
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

Nice! I had the combo. It was so heavy it was hard on an old fart. Very cool.
 
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Thank you Surgeon! I really appreciate it Sir.
Would I be able to use 6l6's in my amp by getting it rebiased? I guess I am happy with the El34's, but if I was to be looking for a tighter gain structure, it'd be nice to have a choice.
Now I'll go read the review in full. Thanbks. See, when people take time to review their gear it really does help folks!

EDIT- Holy Cow! Just found out you can run either 6l6's OR El34's in this! Swee-effin'-eet!
Glad I can help! If you ever need anything else just let me know by PM and I'll do anything I can...

You can indeed try both tube types. You do have to rebias but the amp has an external biasing point so it's easily done using a regular electronic multi-meter.

Here's another thread I made after I "reswitched" to EL34s about 2 years ago.
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

Actually took only about three hours for me to regret buying this amp. I should have got a 5150 maybe. I think the Genz Benz may be built better than a Peavey according to waht an amp tech I knew said about Peaveys, but thats just conjecture.
Judging from clips, the 5150 does sound better than the El Diablo. Whta concerns me is the lack of warmth in the low mids and bass of the El Diablo in clips that the 5150 is able to get . I could have found a good 5150 head for roughly the same cost, and its nealry impossible to sell the Genz Benz-they have practically no resale value,whereas Peaveys' 5150 are always in demand.
The thing I realized is that I need a Mesa Boogie Dual Recto. Too bad I only realized it after I bought the El Diablo.
Thing is I can't really afford a Dual Recto. now, so for 575 total I spent, and not being 100% confident about the Peavey Reliability,or rather MORE cond=fident about the Genz benz, I guess I should just make do with the Genz Benz till I can get the Mesa, which may be quite aways down the pike.
 
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The 5150's a great amp...

Still, I wouldn't be too quick dismissing the diablo. I'm telling you, this thing is really versatile. I'd be surprised if, with a little time, you weren't able to dial in something you really liked.

Don't be too hasty to buy anything but same goes for disliking something without even giving it a chance bro... just try it, it's already yours anyways...

Amazing how fast you went from "yahoo!" to "boo" :D
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

I'll do one better! I recently acquired both the 60 watt combo (new for 600), a gflex 2x12 (new 400) AND a 100 watt head (500 with minimal time on it - guy got a 6505+ and never used it).
I liked the combo enough to justify getting the head. I guess that it was to my benefit that these things get a bad wrap?

IMO you sould take both of the doc"s advice, give it some time to get used to it. they really are great amps. the mids are so different that they take sometime for your ears to adjust to them.
you can't go in expecting it to nail the 5150 or recto sound/vibe. it is a different animal. i agree with the surgeon that it is a cross between a 5150 and a recto to some extent, but i would throw in some hot-rodded marshall too. it gets near all three while being it own thing.

Metalmaniac, the tube contour knob is your friend!
i found different sounds with it to the left( more marshall middy/thick) by adding some highs with the regular eq or the global presence. or you could turn that knob to the right( more of a scooped sound) and take away some highs to compensate.

also, as surgeon already pointed out, the mids are very important.
you can't just do the normal scoop and expect greatness. the typical 10 0 10 scoop is a 30 db difference. that is way more variance than a regular amp with passive tone stacks.
i find that i keep the mids and the bass about the same, and adjust the highs to taste. hard to go wrong that way as a starting point. i have had my amps for a month or so now and am still discovering new sounds every day. as an added bonus, once you find your eq settings (b -3, m-2,t 4 for example) you can increase them all in the same ratio (b 8, m 9, t 15) and get sort of a gain boost due to the active controls. that"s versatility!


Now, as to the difference between the head and combo,( i know you are curious!)
the head goes down to 50w by cutting 2 power tubes out, while the combo does the pentode/triode thing. i prefer the combo for lower wattage. the head has the clean channel boost. the head also doen't have any reverb circuit feedback like the combo does (reverb tank is located 2 inches from the speaker magnet) the head's separate effects loops are cool as hell too!

also, the head seems to not perform well at low volumes. to clarify, at tv volumes, it seems to be all trebly with no body whatsoever. as the volume goes up though, watch out! 3 on both the channel vol and master seem like the practical bottom limit to go the right sound.

what cab and speakers have you guys used with yours? so far i've used the gflex with the head; sounds somewhat congested? nasally? i may want to try an avatar 2x12 convertible cabinet in the future.
the combo on the other hand is nothing short of too cool! i don't know how they get so much bass out of a semi open back cabinet.
it is almost like a bass port for the lows and an openback for that mid/ high open, dispersion thing.

lastly do you guys hear a certain fuzz like sound to the compression circuit?
good luck
juan
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

The combo I had seemed very smooth. I had no real fuzz element with it. I loved it for the Santana type leads. It loved humbuckers as I saw it.
 
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Wait, your user name is Metal Maniac and this is your first High gain amp?!

The 5150 is a solid amp. The Mk. 1 especially. Its one of the main reasons people used them and they're everywhere. Bands would bring them on tour simply because of its durability, and the fact that it had a good sound was the other reason. There was a band that used the same 5150 head on tour for like 11 years or something though, I'll see if I can find that.

Don't know about the 5150 II or 6505 + in terms of reliability however.
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

Juhan: nice review... you brought important elements. I don't hear much fuzz to the compression but, with high gain settings, I kinda know what you mean though. I don't identify this sound as a fuzz but there is some top-end sizzle in there when I engage the compression. I rarely use that much gain anymore though. I does bring some kind of "smoothness" imo.
 
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False Alarm Guys. cancelled my order. Guess I'll wait till I can swing a Recto.
Also thinking of dumoing my JMP till i can get a Superlead.
Thanks for all the help. Sure its not a bad amp and a bargain for the price, but to me the Mesa Dual Recitifer sounded better on some clips I heard.
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

What you judged this thing based on clips without ever laying hands on it?
 
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What you judged this thing based on clips without ever laying hands on it?

Sure. Check out youtube and Boyd Royce and his demos. He dials them all in equivocally, and then runs through some riffs that display the basic tone of each amp. I will add that I have a very good articulate sound system plugged into my computer, and I hear the 5150 as very good , and better with more overall girth than the Genz.
The Mesa just sound larger, thicker fattter while still soundinmg meaner than either the benz OR the 5150.
I know what your sayin throuhg. Most clips can't be trusted especailly played through most computer sound speakers.
I know YGHIF likjes the Pitbull UL, so I need to explorate that amp more.
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

Computer speakers?

Did you ever think about getting at least a set of decent headphones? I mean real ones, closed or on-ear.
 
Re: NAD Genz Benz El Diablo 4xEl34 100 watt

I have never been able to judge an amp by someone else playing it. Also I absolutely hate the bad sound quality and compression that comes along with any youtube video. I hope your 'good sound system' is some form of decent studio monitor otherwise your speakers are coloring the sound too.
 
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Moreover, is the guy doing the demos using the same guitar, same electronics, same style, same amp, same cab, same speakers, etc as you? Hell Steve Vai could be rocking out my DSL and I would still need to test it out. Why? I'm not Steve Vai. Equipment will sound different depending on the user. Don't judge your playing by someone elses. Make your own educated decision. That being said, you sound more like a MESA/5150 type.
 
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hey metal, i have heard all of budd's videos and have to say that he has to be the worst guy to dial in an amp. he demo'd countless great amps and managed to make most if not all sound like crap.

both the 5153 and 6505 sounded like butt have heard both personally sound better
 
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