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some_dude

Raging BB Gunologist
I recently traded my Lone Star Special straight up for another dude's Stiletto Ace. The LSS was a cool amp that really excelled at a couple of tones I used it for, but overall it wasn't quite what I was looking for in an amp. With any luck he'll find more use for it than I did.

My first impressions of the Stiletto Ace are that I'm really impressed. I have very little prior experience with a Stiletto (Deuce, 1 time at low volume in a store) and was a little nervous due to the constant complaints that Stilettos are too bright (and that the Ace is even brighter than the Deuce)... particularly with V30s. All I can say is that I don't know what's up with people... within about 5 minutes I had a thick, chewy tone dialled in and was most impressed. Yeah, if you do the Mesa thing and set all the knobs to 12:00 crunch mode gives you a tone reminiscent of crushed glass, but if you dial it in like a Marshall it sounds kind of like a Marshall.

I was really taken by surprise by the liquid gain mode. For some reason I had "modded JCM800" stuck in my head and I didn't expect a Stiletto to produce the amount of gain/compression that it does. At 12:00 I was hitting near unusable levels of gain (for rhythm), although it produced a seriously sweet lead mode that I think I'll make a lot of use of.

Tite Gain mode was also kind of cool. It's kind of like crunch mode but with more gain (I like Crunch mode better). It has a chunky response on rhythm and a cool lead sound if you simply want "more" of what crunch mode was already offering rather than the compression offered by liquid gain mode.

I don't remember what the clean sounded like. I think I hit a couple of notes on it before switching to crunch mode, because in reality that's the mode I wanted the amp for. For cleans I used crunch mode with my guitar's volume backed of, which worked extremely well. Obviously a fatter, somewhat dirty way or producing a clean tone... but sweet nonetheless.

I don't know what the Deuce/Trident are like but the Ace produces just enough sag to make things interesting rather than stiff. Switching to the tube rectifier takes a bit of the edge off but doesn't really loosen the amp up.

Anyway, it's a sweet ass rock and roll amp. I can't believe it doesn't get more respect considering how sweet it sounds.

Through my Mesa 4x12 it sounds middy with a bit sharper edge to it and a dryer sound. Through my Orange 4x12 it sounds a little more hollow and a bit more boxy with a softer high end response... more like a Marshall. I normally prefer my Recto cab for everything but I feel the Stiletto pairs better with the Orange cab. I tried to get the Stiletto to karang... I think the sound is in there but it wouldn't quite come out. I kind of suspect the V30s had something to do with it and wonder how it would sound with G12M-25s

And as a bonus, it looks sweet as f*ck!

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Re: NAD

Great trade! I would have done that deal in a heartbeat too.

Besides sounding better IMO, the head looks stunning in brown with the gold piping.
 
Re: NAD

Ha! You traded my second favourite Mesa for my favourite Mesa!

Welcome to the Stiletto Ace club! I've had one as my main amp for three years now and it's not going away anytime soon. It pairs best with a Stiletto 4x12 - built like a Recto cab with a Marshall size.

As for the brightness complaints, what most people call "brightness" I call "cutting through the mix". It's a great lead player's amp, and works perfectly if the other guitarist has a Recto or other 6L6-based amp. I never push the treble past 5 on the red channel though, and I keep the presence down too.

I gotta say I'm jealous of that crimson tolex! Very nice!
 
Re: NAD

cool
i love the LSS cleans, but yeah, for anything heavier, the stiletto is a sweet choice

enjoy
t4d
 
Re: NAD

That's about the only MESA amp I have any interest in, so glad to hear you like it :)
 
Re: NAD

CONGRATZ ON YET ANOTHER MESA PRODUCT ;)


Do you still have the Electra Dyne ?
When you have time, can you give a brief A/B between the two please.
Well, atleast comparing their mild crunch tones. Think AC/DC Malcolm Young type settings !
 
Re: NAD

Ha! You traded my second favourite Mesa for my favourite Mesa!

Welcome to the Stiletto Ace club! I've had one as my main amp for three years now and it's not going away anytime soon. It pairs best with a Stiletto 4x12 - built like a Recto cab with a Marshall size.

I could see that. The Recto 4x12 exagerates frequencies in a way that's kind of off with Crunch mode. Good if you're after a scooped sound, but not really playing to the amp's strengths.

Tite and fluid gain on the other hand seem to play right into the Recto 4x12s strengths. The additional low mids in those channels fill in the scoop it had with crunch mode and it adds a lot of clarity and detail that the Orange 4x12 lacks.

The Orange 4x12 sounds great with crunch mode, but doesn't handle low midrange very well. It has a tendency to make low mid heavy amps sound really muddy. It makes using tite gain with it kind of difficult. Fluid gain mode works well if your goal is more of a smeared legato tone, but the Recto 4x12 makes it sound way more clear and articulate with better separation.

I'd be cool if the Stiletto 4x12 was somewhere between those two extremes. I'm wanting to use channel 1 on crunch mode as my main crunchy rhythm and channel 2 on tite gain as my "more" rhythm/lead channel.

Liquid mode is really cool, but I'd rather have two rhythm sounds that can double as lead sounds than a dedicated rhythm and lead sound.

I gotta say I'm jealous of that crimson tolex! Very nice!

It's pretty f*ckin' sweet.
 
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CONGRATZ ON YET ANOTHER MESA PRODUCT ;)

I found what works for me, so I'm sticking to it.


Do you still have the Electra Dyne ?
When you have time, can you give a brief A/B between the two please.
Well, atleast comparing their mild crunch tones. Think AC/DC Malcolm Young type settings !

It's hard to give a comparison without over-generalizing. Even with it's shared EQ design limitation the ED is capable of doing a number of things, but I prefer to use it in one certain way because it suits my tastes. The Stiletto is the same, only even more extreme due to the variety of modes and settings, which can drastically alter the tone/feel of the amp. With that in mind....

The ED is thicker and warmer. The gain texture is smoother. Even on 45w mode it sounds more powerful... like a race car that's just idling. It has much more bottom end on tap and a more rolled off top end. With the master volume cranked up it gives a buttery compression, reminiscent of a Super Lead Plexi with it's gain knobs up around 7 or 8.

The Stiletto is brighter and more aggressive. The gain texture is more open/less compressed. It has a fair bit of bottom end, but it doesn't sound bottom heavy like the ED does. Crunch more is more focused in the upper midrange and to me is more along the lines of Marshall tone, but if you start using Tite or Liquid gain modes the amp widens as it develops Mesa's characteristic low midrange.

Both amps have a bit of sponge to them although the Stiletto is a bit spongier. Further, the Stiletto includes options to further brown out (variac) and sag (tube rectifier) the amp, which loosens the amp a fair bit and adds some cool harmonic swirl if that's your thing. The ED on the other hand only has two options... Big (45w) and MASSIVE (90w).

The gain on the ED is kind of unique in a way. Rather than sounding more "preamp gainy" as it's turned up it sounds more like what you'd expect if you were to crank the volume for more power amp overdrive. The trade off is that the ED has shared controls, which makes it impossible to use extreme settings if you want to switch between all three channels live. The gain knobs on the Stiletto behave like you would expect a gain knob to behave when you crank it... more buzz, unless you're running the amp loud enough that it starts to chunk up.


The short version of the story is that the ED is more along the lines of having Fender cleans and Plexi/modded Plexi dirt. Bigger, warmer, smoother, creamier.

The Stiletto is more along the lines of a JCM800/modded JCM800. Brighter, more aggressive, more edgy.


I'm not a Marshall expert, but some dude who claims he is said the ED's version of "Plexi" is more along the lines of a 1987 than a 1959.... if that means anything to people. The Stiletto on the other hand only seems to seek the Marshall tone in the crunch mode. The other two gain modes seem to deliberately "Mesafy" the sound, thus creating something new.
 
Re: NAD

Thanks for the great feed back ;)

Deff sounds like will like the ED much more.
Just watched a good ED vs Royal Atlantic Utoob clip, and between those two i aslo prefer the ED.
 
Re: NAD

I could see that. The Recto 4x12 exagerates frequencies in a way that's kind of off with Crunch mode. Good if you're after a scooped sound, but not really playing to the amp's strengths.

Tite and fluid gain on the other hand seem to play right into the Recto 4x12s strengths. The additional low mids in those channels fill in the scoop it had with crunch mode and it adds a lot of clarity and detail that the Orange 4x12 lacks.

The Orange 4x12 sounds great with crunch mode, but doesn't handle low midrange very well. It has a tendency to make low mid heavy amps sound really muddy. It makes using tite gain with it kind of difficult. Fluid gain mode works well if your goal is more of a smeared legato tone, but the Recto 4x12 makes it sound way more clear and articulate with better separation.

I'd be cool if the Stiletto 4x12 was somewhere between those two extremes. I'm wanting to use channel 1 on crunch mode as my main crunchy rhythm and channel 2 on tite gain as my "more" rhythm/lead channel.

Liquid mode is really cool, but I'd rather have two rhythm sounds that can double as lead sounds than a dedicated rhythm and lead sound.

Fluid Drive is my least favourite mode. I have mine set to Fat Clean and Tite Gain, the most versatile combo IMO. If you're curious, here's how mine is dialed in with the Stiletto 4x12:

Fat Clean
Gain: 12:00
Treble: 12:00
Mid: 11:00
Bass: 11:00
Presence: 11:00
Master: 1:00

Tite Gain
Gain: 11:00
Treble: 11:00
Mid: 10:00
Bass: 1:00
Presence: 9:00
Master: 10:00

I've found that the overall tone improves when you keep the channel masters high and the main output volume low-ish.

I also use Spongy power almost all the time. I love that brown sound squish. I've gotten so used to it that the amp feels really stiff if I use the normal power. And I use diode rectifier on both channels - sometimes I'll use the tube rectifier on the red channel when I want a looser feel, but generally I prefer the tighter diode rectifier.
 
Re: NAD

Cool. I'll give those clean settings a try tomorrow. I've been totally ignoring the clean channel so far, but I really should give it a try.

I've mostly been using it with the FX loop in bypass since I don't plan on using it anyway, but I'll keep that channel master trick in mind should I change my mind.

I also use Spongy power almost all the time. I love that brown sound squish. I've gotten so used to it that the amp feels really stiff if I use the normal power. And I use diode rectifier on both channels - sometimes I'll use the tube rectifier on the red channel when I want a looser feel, but generally I prefer the tighter diode rectifier.

Spongy was a nice surprise. I've been using it about 50/50 with tube/diode rectifiers, trying to see which way I prefer. I kinda like both for different reasons. It's only been a day so I'm obviously going to play a bit more before I settle in on a sound, but I have to say that this is the easiest Mesa I've ever dialled in. It's probably the the only Mesa I've ever used where the B/M/T actually controls the bass/middle/treble, so dialling it in is pretty straight forward.
 
Re: NAD

Thanks for the great feed back ;)

Deff sounds like will like the ED much more.
Just watched a good ED vs Royal Atlantic Utoob clip, and between those two i aslo prefer the ED.

The ED lays more in the "Massive" camp. The RA is more in the"Aggressive" camp.

The ED makes a good stoner/sludge metal amp. It's got that 'massiveness' to it that reminds me of the Rectifier, although much lower in gain obviously. I was playing some Melvins on it and it just suits that sort of sound.
 
Re: NAD

ive never had the opportunity to plug in to a stiletto, but if it is mesas take on a marshall vibe then im sure it is absolutley superb!
 
Re: NAD

awesome man, congrats! lookin forward to clips if you got em! I see you in the tips and clips room tinkering with the software and such type questionz
 
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