JumpMarine
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Other than the obvious ones of EC and John Mayall, what other recordings were done with an 18 watt Marshall?
Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
EC with the Bluesbreakers was not an 18 watter...that was JTM-45?
EC with the Bluesbreakers was not an 18 watter...that was JTM-45?
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Lewguitar
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Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I don't know of any!
I don't know of any!
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
Nor do I!
To be honest...most of the 18 watters I have heard sound less than stellar! They can sound good but they can also sound really really bad...
Lewguitar said:
Nor do I!
To be honest...most of the 18 watters I have heard sound less than stellar! They can sound good but they can also sound really really bad...
JeffB
Let it B
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
FWIU The amp was not terribly popular at the time it was introduced....
it's more of a modern thing...with modern PA's, and the need for less volume they have become more popular....a NMV amp without the sheer deafing tones of a SuperLead/SuperBass etc...
I've yet to hear a "bad" one, but some are much better than others. I think a BETTER mouetrap is the 2061...paired with a good small closed back cab. That or run an 18W into a closed back cab.
www.18watt.com I think is the place to go...lotsa clips of some GREAT amps.
FWIU The amp was not terribly popular at the time it was introduced....
it's more of a modern thing...with modern PA's, and the need for less volume they have become more popular....a NMV amp without the sheer deafing tones of a SuperLead/SuperBass etc...
I've yet to hear a "bad" one, but some are much better than others. I think a BETTER mouetrap is the 2061...paired with a good small closed back cab. That or run an 18W into a closed back cab.
www.18watt.com I think is the place to go...lotsa clips of some GREAT amps.
Rich_S
HomeGrownToneBrewologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
+1 to everything JeffB said.
I know Robbie McIntosh uses one a lot in the studio - check out Pretenders' Learning to Crawl, or his solo albums.
I've read somewhere that AC/DC has used them in the studio, but I can't name any specific examples.
It is kind of weird that an amp held in such high regard has been recorded so little.
+1 to everything JeffB said.
I know Robbie McIntosh uses one a lot in the studio - check out Pretenders' Learning to Crawl, or his solo albums.
I've read somewhere that AC/DC has used them in the studio, but I can't name any specific examples.
It is kind of weird that an amp held in such high regard has been recorded so little.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I have heard plenty of bad sounding 18 watters...it's real easy to make that amp have a real fizzy buzzy tone and IMO the 20 watter never sounded very good anyway...to be honest I can't belive Marshall even reissued that amp!
I have heard plenty of bad sounding 18 watters...it's real easy to make that amp have a real fizzy buzzy tone and IMO the 20 watter never sounded very good anyway...to be honest I can't belive Marshall even reissued that amp!
JeffB
Let it B
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I think you can make even the most HIGHLY regarded amps sound bad Christian
Whether it's a Modern rectumfrier or a totally maxed out Fender Twin.
Proper speakers I think are key to the 18W. They need tighter speakers to offset the El84s getting "farty". The 2061 I played was brilliant??? I quite liked the tone. It was being run through a MESA 2x12 cab though (V30s I guess, possibly 90W black shadows)
the guy who invented fire said:
I think you can make even the most HIGHLY regarded amps sound bad Christian
Whether it's a Modern rectumfrier or a totally maxed out Fender Twin.Proper speakers I think are key to the 18W. They need tighter speakers to offset the El84s getting "farty". The 2061 I played was brilliant??? I quite liked the tone. It was being run through a MESA 2x12 cab though (V30s I guess, possibly 90W black shadows)
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I was talking about both the facts that lots and lots of the 18 watt c;ones that are being made right now are not made right plus most of the bone heads that plug into them think that it's an 18 watt super lead so they turn the volume control until it stops moving and thing that they sound like VH1...and they don't...maxed out those amps have a fery buzzy very non musical tone that IMO is very un pleasing to listen to...
I was talking about both the facts that lots and lots of the 18 watt c;ones that are being made right now are not made right plus most of the bone heads that plug into them think that it's an 18 watt super lead so they turn the volume control until it stops moving and thing that they sound like VH1...and they don't...maxed out those amps have a fery buzzy very non musical tone that IMO is very un pleasing to listen to...
J Moose
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Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I can.
It's all about the benjamins.
Bonehead lawyer's who walk into Guitarget with a Platnium card & walk out with a $5K axe & the 18 watter...just because it's smaller & slightly more practical then a 100 watt half-stack. And hey...it's a Marshall! And a hand-wired one at that! It can't suck!
LMAO
It's like 15 years ago when my friend Pete went to buy a "real" amp and get away from his solid-state Fender 1x12...he bought a JCM900 half-stack without really trying it and just HATED it. LOL
I dunno...I haven't played one yet but I'm not really looking to either. I have this love/hate thing with EL84's. Sometimes they sound amazing, but most of the time I think they're...hmmmm...just kinda there.
I think I've heard stories about Rev. Billy G. recording with an 18-watter but he's always running multiple amps and it always sounds great! I think people are into the idea of 'em because they didn't make too many back in the day. Original ones are super rare beasts.
the guy who invented fire said:
I can.
It's all about the benjamins.
Bonehead lawyer's who walk into Guitarget with a Platnium card & walk out with a $5K axe & the 18 watter...just because it's smaller & slightly more practical then a 100 watt half-stack. And hey...it's a Marshall! And a hand-wired one at that! It can't suck!
LMAO
It's like 15 years ago when my friend Pete went to buy a "real" amp and get away from his solid-state Fender 1x12...he bought a JCM900 half-stack without really trying it and just HATED it. LOL
I dunno...I haven't played one yet but I'm not really looking to either. I have this love/hate thing with EL84's. Sometimes they sound amazing, but most of the time I think they're...hmmmm...just kinda there.
I think I've heard stories about Rev. Billy G. recording with an 18-watter but he's always running multiple amps and it always sounds great! I think people are into the idea of 'em because they didn't make too many back in the day. Original ones are super rare beasts.
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
My clone has a G12H30 Heritage and sounds great, but Christian is right about turning it up. It starts to howl pretty good at about 3-4 and turned up all the way it's damn near uncontrolable....lol My old JTM45 RI acted a bit different. I ran it through a 70's Bandmaster cabinet and it would keep getting louder up to about 7 and after that it just sagged.....very nicely, mind you. Anybody who tells you that you have to use overdrive to get one of those to scream may be using too much speaker. I really like my 18w (particularly with my Strat), but i will admit that I was expecting a mini-JTM and it is not really like that. If I was looking for a "mini-plexi" sounding amp for practice, I would find the cheapest transitional silverface Champ I could get my hands on. i had a blackface Champ back in the day and it rocked......wanna hear what it sounds like? Listen to "Layla":bigthumb:
My clone has a G12H30 Heritage and sounds great, but Christian is right about turning it up. It starts to howl pretty good at about 3-4 and turned up all the way it's damn near uncontrolable....lol My old JTM45 RI acted a bit different. I ran it through a 70's Bandmaster cabinet and it would keep getting louder up to about 7 and after that it just sagged.....very nicely, mind you. Anybody who tells you that you have to use overdrive to get one of those to scream may be using too much speaker. I really like my 18w (particularly with my Strat), but i will admit that I was expecting a mini-JTM and it is not really like that. If I was looking for a "mini-plexi" sounding amp for practice, I would find the cheapest transitional silverface Champ I could get my hands on. i had a blackface Champ back in the day and it rocked......wanna hear what it sounds like? Listen to "Layla":bigthumb:
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I wasn't wow-ed by the 18w either. I felt it was decent and too pricey for what it was (1974 and the 2061). On the 2061 I hate the lack of controls. At least the 1974 has the classic blues glass to it. I don't feel here is anyting you can't try and get with a 50 or 100w NMV using a hot plate.
I wasn't wow-ed by the 18w either. I felt it was decent and too pricey for what it was (1974 and the 2061). On the 2061 I hate the lack of controls. At least the 1974 has the classic blues glass to it. I don't feel here is anyting you can't try and get with a 50 or 100w NMV using a hot plate.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I agree completely...if you want a classic Marshall tone get a 50 watter and put a set of THD yellow jackets in it, it becomes 15 or so watts then if you need more attenuation geta hot Plate or a MASS and call it a day...plus if need be later you Do have a 50 watt Marshall!
I agree completely...if you want a classic Marshall tone get a 50 watter and put a set of THD yellow jackets in it, it becomes 15 or so watts then if you need more attenuation geta hot Plate or a MASS and call it a day...plus if need be later you Do have a 50 watt Marshall!
JumpMarine
18 watts of Mayhemologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
You are quite right sir! I was mistaken, the Bluesbreaker session was recorded in 1965 and the 18 watter's didn't come out until '67. He was using a JTM 45 combo of sorts.
the guy who invented fire said:
You are quite right sir! I was mistaken, the Bluesbreaker session was recorded in 1965 and the 18 watter's didn't come out until '67. He was using a JTM 45 combo of sorts.
JumpMarine
18 watts of Mayhemologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
First off, I would never shell out what Marshall wants for the RI. If I ever did get one it would be built by myself to spec with quality hardware. So far every clip that I have heard, I have really liked.
First off, I would never shell out what Marshall wants for the RI. If I ever did get one it would be built by myself to spec with quality hardware. So far every clip that I have heard, I have really liked.
Rich_S
HomeGrownToneBrewologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
Since no one seems interested in answering JM's question, and just bashing the 18 Watter instead, I'll stick my nose in here.
My DIY 13 Watter is the best-sounding amp I've ever owned, period - and that includes two 2204's and two 2203's (JMP and JCM). Part of it is that its power output is more appropriate to my real needs, so I get to crank it to the sweet spot (which by the way is not "10" but around "6"). Mine is a Lite 2 version, built on an old Bogen PA chassis, using the Bogen's iron and ECL86 output tubes. (hence the 13 watts instead of the full 18).
I've written this before: it's a testament to the design that my amp sounds like a Marshall. It had EL84's to begin with, then I used ECL86's. In addition, I did just about everything I could to mess up this first-time build and it still came out sounding fantastic. No, it's not a Plexi, but it's a damn good amp at just the right power rating. If you want it a bit more Plexi-ish, build a TMB version and/or consider a solid state rectifier.
I also hear that the "6V6 Plexi" is another great-sounding amp with reasonable power. Search for Mark Huss' website for more info. I have another Bogen that's destined to be a JTM45, but I'm going to set it up to be convertible to a 6V6 Plexi by flipping a switch and swapping output tubes. 'Cuz I know I'll never be able to crank a JTM to the sweet spot.
JumpMarine, it's a shame you don't live in Texas - 'cause you're invited over to my place anytime to hear my blue mutant baby.
Since no one seems interested in answering JM's question, and just bashing the 18 Watter instead, I'll stick my nose in here.
My DIY 13 Watter is the best-sounding amp I've ever owned, period - and that includes two 2204's and two 2203's (JMP and JCM). Part of it is that its power output is more appropriate to my real needs, so I get to crank it to the sweet spot (which by the way is not "10" but around "6"). Mine is a Lite 2 version, built on an old Bogen PA chassis, using the Bogen's iron and ECL86 output tubes. (hence the 13 watts instead of the full 18).
I've written this before: it's a testament to the design that my amp sounds like a Marshall. It had EL84's to begin with, then I used ECL86's. In addition, I did just about everything I could to mess up this first-time build and it still came out sounding fantastic. No, it's not a Plexi, but it's a damn good amp at just the right power rating. If you want it a bit more Plexi-ish, build a TMB version and/or consider a solid state rectifier.
I also hear that the "6V6 Plexi" is another great-sounding amp with reasonable power. Search for Mark Huss' website for more info. I have another Bogen that's destined to be a JTM45, but I'm going to set it up to be convertible to a 6V6 Plexi by flipping a switch and swapping output tubes. 'Cuz I know I'll never be able to crank a JTM to the sweet spot.
JumpMarine, it's a shame you don't live in Texas - 'cause you're invited over to my place anytime to hear my blue mutant baby.
JumpMarine
18 watts of Mayhemologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
Thanks Rich, I appreciate the first hand account! I am considering building a TMB 18 watter, but haven't ironed out the details as of yet.
Thanks Rich, I appreciate the first hand account! I am considering building a TMB 18 watter, but haven't ironed out the details as of yet.
Rich_S
HomeGrownToneBrewologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I see the attraction to the TBM, when folks are coming from a big Marshall or other amp with a full tone stack. However, I don't miss the extra EQ, and one less tube makes the whole amp simpler.
The Lite II preamp design is really clever - one input jack gives you a single input stage triode, the other jack gives you two triodes in parallel. I usually use the dual-triode input; it gives a fatter tone. I find that the choice of two input jacks plus the single tone control give me enough plenty of tone-shaping ability. It's still a one-trick pony, but it's a really great trick, and not completely non-tweakable.
I'll say it again - if you're looking for a tighter sound, consider a SS recto. Also, the speaker is important. A lot of people like the G12H30, but a Duane fan like you might want something more JBL-ish. I have a G12H80 in mine - a loud, clean speaker that kinda reminds me of the EVM-12L's I had 'way back when. Look into Ted Weber's high-powered speakers, too - the Michigan and the California.
I see the attraction to the TBM, when folks are coming from a big Marshall or other amp with a full tone stack. However, I don't miss the extra EQ, and one less tube makes the whole amp simpler.
The Lite II preamp design is really clever - one input jack gives you a single input stage triode, the other jack gives you two triodes in parallel. I usually use the dual-triode input; it gives a fatter tone. I find that the choice of two input jacks plus the single tone control give me enough plenty of tone-shaping ability. It's still a one-trick pony, but it's a really great trick, and not completely non-tweakable.
I'll say it again - if you're looking for a tighter sound, consider a SS recto. Also, the speaker is important. A lot of people like the G12H30, but a Duane fan like you might want something more JBL-ish. I have a G12H80 in mine - a loud, clean speaker that kinda reminds me of the EVM-12L's I had 'way back when. Look into Ted Weber's high-powered speakers, too - the Michigan and the California.
JumpMarine
18 watts of Mayhemologist
Re: Name some recordings with 18 watt Marshall's
I've got a pair of V30's, Texas Heat and a Swamp Thang to start out experimenting with.
I've got a pair of V30's, Texas Heat and a Swamp Thang to start out experimenting with.
