Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

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Gaspasser69

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Working on a parts caster with a bigsby and have the vintage 54 neck and bridge (str 1/stl 1) and a ssl52 for the middle. I will put in. 5 way switch (either standard strat or 4 pole 5 way) add a mini toggle on/on/on and have a push pull volume pot.

I need help in determining what i can do with this. I like to have options to get every sound possible in a logical set up. (Hopefully) i found the 9 way strat using just the mini toggle and standard 5 way. I want to take that further.

Im looking for suggestions of how to wire it up.

I can post my other guitar builds if you are interested in what i usually do. Ill post my builds soon regardless.
 
Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

Welcome to the forum.

Firstly, good luck squeezing any four-pole, five-way Superswitch into the control cavity via the stock control plate - even a skinny OTAX type. (The Fender Jerry Donahue signature Telecaster had a notch extension to the rout, cleverly hidden beneath the metal plate - but only just.)

Secondly, define "every sound possible". Every coil permutation of your chosen three or every sound made by electric guitar of any description?

Could be a job for imitation Fender S-1 Stratocaster wiring.
 
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I don't have a problem routing. I had to mod the xtren bridge and made a recess for it. I'll include a pic shortly. I don't know much about the s1 switch.
 
Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

Funkfingers said:
Welcome to the forum.

Firstly, good luck squeezing any four-pole, five-way Superswitch into the control cavity via the stock control plate - even a skinny OTAX type. (The Fender Jerry Donahue signature Telecaster had a notch extension to the rout, cleverly hidden beneath the metal plate - but only just.)

Secondly, define "every sound possible". Every coil permutation of your chosen three or every sound made by electric guitar of any description?

Could be a job for imitation Fender S-1 Stratocaster wiring.
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My humbuckers are usually series in phase, coil tap, and parallel out of phase. I can get a wide array of sounds from that. In this case I hope to get as many combinations as possible given the components I can fit in the cavity.
 
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No load tone pot, push pull volume, mini toggle on on on.
Stl 1, str 1, ssl 52. If need be I can put in a 4pole 5 way instead of the standard strat 5 way. Almost ngd for me

I still need suggestions for optimal variety of sounds / tones

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Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

If those are simply stacked singles and not miniature humbuckers like the Lil59, JBJr, etc then coil splitting won't be of any use to you unless you just want to hear 60 Hz AC buzz.

However if any of them have a coil tap, you might get something.

With the standard 5-way, you can get the standard Strat selections of
Bridge
Bridge + Middle
Middle
Middle + Neck
Neck

and use the push pull to reverse the phase of one pickup.

With the Super 5-way you can choose
Bridge
Bridge + Middle
Bridge + Neck
Middle + Neck
Neck

and with 2 push pulls you can add phase switching to two pickups (though only one pickup in a given pairing needs to be wired that way). This would allow you to have bridge+middle out of phase with each other, bridge + neck out of phase with each other, and middle + neck out of phase with each other.

Then there's series/parallel of any two pickups, all 3 at once, using a blend pot to tweak the mix of two pickups.
 
Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

I forgot to mention the middle is rwrp.
I like the 9 way strat set up and the push pull might give me more options or start from the ground up. All the single coils are normal. Im looking for your experience for some thing i might have over looked or didnt think of. Some thing that give you that Doh! Moment. (Facepalm) i will have to aligator clip and listen to the sounds and decide what i wAnt but im looking for my config options right now.

How to use each switch. Like the 5 way rewires the pu's (series parallel, phasing etc.) and the toggle selects which one goes to jack amd the push pull adds or subtracts the middle. Maybe.....
 
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I would have just put standard 5-way strat wiring and added a switch to turn the neck pickup on with the bridge.
 
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Gaspasser69 said:
i will have to aligator clip and listen to the sounds and decide what i wAnt but im looking for my config options right now.
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Nice to finally meet someone who knows the benefits of alligator clips to test wiring schemes. :beerchug:

That's saved me tons of headache testing wiring configs before putting the iron to them over the years.

Speaking of, I need to replace my stash of clips. Last bunch I bought were defective (levers were twisted, springs incredibly tight, rubber sleeves were so slick that more than a few went flying across the room as they slipped :lol: )
 
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Dark walnut stain in quilted maple, then clear coats. Used spray gun with blue dye and lacquer to build to the shade I wanted. It's a turquoise with brown showing through. Gonna woid burn the head stock and deciding the neck color. Usually go with golden pecan stain and lacquer.
 
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Luckily the sparkle glue and acrylic are tough since they were unaffected by stain and lacquer. Was afraid of melting them. Tough stuff! At the point of deciding how to wire it up for good. Playing with alligator clips and hearing pick ups. Still looking for some ideas for full tonal range. I have a plan but people here could give me some great ideas to try out.

Five way switch (2 or 4 pole, have both), mini toggle 2 pole 3 way, no load tone 250k, push pull volume. Are the parts I got for this. Can get others or delete some if they aren't necessary.

If some one is in the area and wants to help, it would be appreciated. I want to make a video when its done to demonstrate its abilities and provide a sound of the pickups for potential sd buyers. I use online vids to help pick out my pu's.
Thanks
 
Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

I have rewired many strats and a couple of 3 pick up Teles. With a single DTDP on-on-on switch between the pots and a push pull on the vol pot and a stock 5 way you can get some good options . The wiring is fairly well known. The forward position of the on-on-on connects neck pick to the bridge pick up (it can go to the output lug as an alternative) to give you the additional 2 options of neck and bridge together and all 3 together. In the middle you get stock In the back position the 5 way gives the following.
1. Bridge
2. Bridge
3. Bridge and middle in series
4. Bridge and middle in series with neck in parallel
5. Neck and bridge in series

The Push pull can be used to put the bridge pick up out of phase which gives other interesting combinations.

You will need to pay attention to the wiring of the neck pup. The case ground and circuit ground need to be seperate and the case ground needs to be always grounded otherwise you will get problems with the series options,

I contributed to another thread a while back and posted some diagrams which you might find useful. Its towards the end.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...ll-Strat-wiring-diagram&p=1427536#post1427536
 
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Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

Thanks gstring, thats a good idea, ill maybe mod it but its a different way of thinking about it. Also newscenstein thanks for your input, im still looking for new ideas. I like the switch being able to bridge the gap between the bridge and neck. Not sure if phase reversal will be good in this rig, already thin and twangy. Doesnt seem to need more of that ��. I think just parallel and series options with this one, gonna do some aligator clipping for a minute. Listen to the combos and check off what i like. Middle and bridge in parallel has quack for days actually. Uts pretty intense to my ears.
 
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Another idea for you to consider. I have done this on several Teles. Looks kinda neat. Pics are not mine and have been copied from another forum.

On on on switch is suspended on strip of alloy between the pots with just lever poking out of oblong hole.

FWIW Out of phase in series can be interesting
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Re: Nashville tele wiring advanced. Need help / suggestions

Thinking i might settle on this set up. The strat o tele ss

https://sites.google.com/site/phostenixwiringdiagrams/strat-o-teles#ssotsstele


The s1 switch is a 4 pole on on switch, which i can use the mini toggle and push pull to achieve. Ill try other sounds before i pull the trigger solder it all up.

I have the sprague .22 and .47 orange drop caps. Opinions on the set up(s) with one or both. I have to look up the config that its intended for. Been months since i got this stuff and was busy. It was a tele wiring kit with caps and wire.

Would like some one in the area that can make demo videos that show off what duncans can do. My git fiddle can look mice and help others decide on sd's. :)
I watched the hell out the joe gore video showing the ssl 52. Not much out there on these tele pickups. One or two vids.
 
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7440801/Guitar%20Wiring/Strat-O-TeleSS-TeleToggle.jpg

This basically what gstring suggested. Except with a mini toggle ononon and push pull. The push pull will have the 1st and third row of wiring on the 4 pole on on. Those parts switch the bridge off, series or on. They have to be either both up or both down. The 2 and 4 rows turn the middle and neck on or off. With the double throw on on on you can get all three pus on at the same time in the middle swtch position.

Gonna get the soldering iron out and go to town shortly. Have to fix the plate to take cts pots and a toggle in the middle.
 
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Thank kramerstein. It looks amazing in person with the glitter in the light. The artist did a fantastic job.

I wired it up and it goes dead with the push pull down which should be the second position which is bridge all parallel. Up gives bridge series with the neck or middle. The neck and middle are on the -on on on- mini toggle which should be n/ n+m/ m. If i leave a wire disconnected i get sound and switch changes so its doing something but not what it should be doing.
Need help confirming the plans are sound first then figure out where i may have screwed up. Possibly in the push pull ? I think.
 
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