Neck humbucker with attack and clarity

Xyrium

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Folks,

I am looking for a humbucker to place in my LP. I usually play rock and prog metal, and want some clarity and excellent pick attack. I was thinking that anything with alot of Bass in the output is only going to muddy things up, so I was trying to stay away from pups on the SD tone chart that had a 6 or higher in that category, but maybe I'm way off. Any suggestions?

I even considered some bridge pups that weren't intended for neck us, but I think the resonant freq of most of them is below 7 and the units designated for neck use appear about that. Maybe it's just a coincidence...

Thanks,
Paul
 
Re: Neck humbucker with attack and clarity

Jazz model will give you plenty of clarity.
 
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Thanks, that one is definitely on the list. Is there a reason why a bridge pup absolutely will not work?
 
Re: Neck humbucker with attack and clarity

Thanks, that one is definitely on the list. Is there a reason why a bridge pup absolutely will not work?
Not at all. I have a couple of Jazz Bridge Models in the neck slots of guitars.
 
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Best one I ever had was an Ibanez QM1or whatever they called it that they put in the Destroyer reissues of the early Y2Ks. Amazing neck pup. I think I have a clip on my soundclick page of that guitar (charlotte)
 
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Full shred. Just lower the neck side poles and raise the bridge side.
 
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On my 3 'Balls-To-The-Wall' heavy metal guitars I run 2 of the same bridge pickups, AHB-1 Blackouts, EMG-HZ-H4 and DiMarzio Super Distortion. It sounds pretty good (IMO) since it is the same pickup it sounds the same only slightly warmer due to the position.
 
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59N, great attack under gain and it's potted for no squealzz, me gusta for high gain
 
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Another recommendation for both the Jazz and the Jazz bridge in the neck position.

Have a Jazz bridge matched with a SD in the bridge position of an older Explorer. On this guitar, the Jazz b has smoother bass and treble. It sounds slightly hotter than the SD. Also, the SD seems to have slightly pronounced bass and high end as compared to the Jazz.

Putting a bridge pup in the neck can be a good idea and is worth a try.
 
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There are some really interesting recommendations here. I fully expected the SH1 and SH2, I suppose they are the logical choice. I had an SH2 once, but I really thought the pick attack was rounded. I'm hoping for something with a sharp pick attack. It might have been the guitar though..

I like the chink, chink, chink, while palm muting runs on the high E, B, and G strings, not pling, pling, pling. Yeah, great explanation eh? :)


I was thinking SH14 in the bridge BTW...
 
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59N, great attack under gain and it's potted for no squealzz, me gusta for high gain

'59N's are bassy, especially in an LP. Hot bridge PU's (Full Shred, JB, etc) are darker and won't have as much clarity. JazzN is probably the best bet for your needs.
 
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Been going through this search myself, here's where i've been:

Jazz: Ok, but i still find it a bit boomy in the lows. Depends on how far you want to go in the bright/tight arena. Still works well in parallel if you use that. This is on the brighter/tighter side of traditional.

Full Shred Neck: Havent tried it yet, but most people here said it is basically a jazz with hex poles and sounds nearly identical.

Dimarzio EJ Neck: Brighter/Tighter than the Jazz. One step further in that direction, like the jazz it is still well within PAF territory tone wise. Works well in parallel if you use that.

DiMarzio Humbucker From Hell: Brighter/tighter still. Nothing like a single coil despite their descriptions, still very mucha PAF-ish, but clear highs, tighter bass than the EJ or Jazz, but still "woody" on the low notes, though not muddy or boomy like a Jazz or EJ (everything is relative; a '59 is WAY muddy/boomy compared to an EJ or Jazz). I recommend backing the bass side off the strings with any of the above, on the H from H that pretty much eliminates mud, but it still doesnt have that tight bright low note attack like a single. In Parallel it sounds sort of odd, almost like a piezo. You might like that sound and might not, but it doesnt sound like other buckers in parallel, thats for sure.

DiMarzio Fast Track 1 with a single coil to humbucker adapter ring: Very nice neck pickup, nearly perfect balance between humbucker and single coil. No mud or boominess at all, but also definitely fatter and with less highs than a single. Still has certain single coil like aspects though. 60% single, 40% neck PAF. The aesthetics of the adapter ring or just mounting it in a normal humbucker ring with gap showing might not appeal to some though. See Greg Howe's guitars when he was doing that.

Lollar Firebird Neck w/pickup ring adapter to fit in humbucker rout: Not dissimilar to the H from H but with a bit more of a single coil feel; it does sense the string in a tighter area so that makes sense. Probably 70% HFH, 30% fat single coil.

Working with a local builder here in Nashville to, here's what I've tried from him:

Smit's HWP Bucker Lite: Larger wire Neck PAF with Low DCR similar to a HFH. Not as bright as an HFH, but no mud at all either. Like a super even frequency jazz would be; a jazz without the boomyness or mud. Has the same issues in parallel mode as the HFH, in that it sounds piezo if you run the coils in parallel instead of series. Very interesting in that the highs are more like a jazz than a HFH, but it also has no mud at all and is very even across the frequency spectrum, so it fits into the traditional PAF category tone wise, just.....super balanced and no boominess.

Smit's HWP Neck MIni bucker under full size humbucker cover: Had this special made, still testing it but initial impressions are it is somewhat like the Lollar Firebird. Will post more once i mess with it more.

There are other things I'm messing with and will post more once I get sufficient results to comment in detail.
 
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Smit's HWP Bucker Lite: Larger wire Neck PAF with Low DCR similar to a HFH. Not as bright as an HFH, but no mud at all either. Like a super even frequency jazz would be; a jazz without the boomyness or mud. Has the same issues in parallel mode as the HFH, in that it sounds piezo if you run the coils in parallel instead of series. Very interesting in that the highs are more like a jazz than a HFH, but it also has no mud at all and is very even across the frequency spectrum, so it fits into the traditional PAF category tone wise, just.....super balanced and no boominess.

+1. I have a set of Smits PAF's, and they're very clear. Not a cheap option, and not ones you're likely to find used.
 
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The Jazz is pretty clear, the full shred neck adds even more definition and clarity, it is warm yet bright. some have said it was to bright and cutting but in a thick les paul thats already warm, I found it to be a great match.

The Custom 5 and full shred bridge are basically the same wind as well just with the full shred again being more tight and defined, with a bit less bass. I have a custom 5 bridge and put an A8 in it made it even better. I'm tempted to try an A8 or double ceramic in the full shred bridge as well as I have heard great things.
 
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Check out the DiMarzio Dominion neck as well perhaps. What you are describing as your needs fits the Dominion neck's specs.
 
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How good are the 'hand wound' 'custom' pickups? I looked at a handfull of different mom & pop shops and the prices for a 'vintage PAF' were from $110-$190 each. Is one pickup worth two SD/EMG/DiMarzio's?
 
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Depends on what you want.

In the case of Smits, his stuff is around $100, which is not far from street price on a lot of commercial offerings. A whole lot less than Duncan Custom Shop stuff. A whole lot less than Lollar. A whole lot less than a lot of small winders.

Is it worth it? Well the proof is in the pudding. If there is an offering there you like that hits a niche no one else is hitting, then sure it is. I have no post purchase disonance about buying those at all. They sound good, do a sound no one else is doing (at least the ones I got do), and the price point isn't that different than the standard commecial offerings.

I wouldnt pay $500 for a pair of 'boutique' PAFs sprinkled with pixie dust, never ever, not going to happen. But $100 for a good sounding pickup that offers something different? Absolutely.

Edit: Also Kevin is open to doing custom work; the Mini under a full sized cover I got was a custom thing I suggested and he made it happen in about 2 weeks. That's pretty good service, well worth the money.
 
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Thanks for all of the help guys. I just ordered an SH14 and an SH2. Will keep you posted on the results! I currently have a WCR American Steele set in my other LP, but I'm looking for something with a little more low end and bite at the top for this LP.

This said, I have one more LP that might use a pup replacement during the year, and those Smit's sound VERY interesting for the price.
 
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