Neck thru and Floyd Rose--cross purposes?

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Love my floyded dean deceiver. And broken headstocks don't destroy your tone. Unless you don't fix it, then it's a total tone sucker. ;)
 
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In view of your analogy, a blow up doll might actually be worth more than a real woman if the woman bankrupts a fellow without any benefit in return for the cost. :)

to take it even further, those Asian blow up dolls seem to have the ability of having children as of late :)
 
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Tone is mostly in the pickups and wood material, not the construction. Neck thru is probably more expensive cause it is harder to manufacture so guitar makers make it up by duping us claiming that the sound is superior to bolt-ons and setnecks. If that was the case, then all signature lines would be neckthru, the logic goes.

ESP Kirk Hammett model is an example of a neck-thru with Floyd. Why don't you check out the tone of it.
 
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^^^ also loads of Carvins neckhtough with floyds. Good guitars, but a little unstable with weather.
 
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Tone is mostly in the pickups and wood material, not the construction. Neck thru is probably more expensive cause it is harder to manufacture so guitar makers make it up by duping us claiming that the sound is superior to bolt-ons and setnecks. If that was the case, then all signature lines would be neckthru, the logic goes.

ESP Kirk Hammett model is an example of a neck-thru with Floyd. Why don't you check out the tone of it.

In my experience, bolt-ons and neck-throughs often have a different feel and character, apart from the obvious difference in the neck joint. I often prefer a neck-through because of those differences. On the other hand, a really good bolt-on is a fantastic guitar in its own right and doesn't give up anything in quality to a comparable neck-through. If I were buying a Les Paul, Strat, or Telecaster type of guitar, there's no way I'd want neck-through.

I think the perception that bolt-ons are lower in quality is probably fueled by a couple of things:

1.) The cheapest electric guitars available are usually bolt-ons. Neck-throughs tend to start out a solid step or two higher, so they are done at a little higher level than those entry-tier bolt-ons. You can still find neck-throughs that are dogs; I have one that I beat on and use as a science experiment.

2.) Companies (Jackson being a key example) often offer lower-priced and/or import versions of their neck-through models, in a bolt-on configuration. I think it's fair to think of a bolt-on neck as a compromise in the specific case of a guitar that's meant to be a more affordable version of a neck-through. That doesn't mean that it's not a good, worthwhile guitar -- just that it's notably different from the "original", the design that inspired it. (Example: I've played some import RR3's with bolt-on necks that I just loved. They didn't feel or sound quite like the step-up neck-through models, but they were quite good.)

Another interesting thing about Jackson and their neck-joint practices: The Dinky model is always a bolt-on. Doesn't matter if it's the least expensive Dinky they make, or a $2k+ USA Select. I think it's an acknowledgement that the preference is ultimately subjective, and when you design a guitar with bolt-on construction, it's not an inherent compromise. It's how well you do it that counts, when quality is the point of discussion.

Oh, and EMGs: I've swapped 81's and 85's and 89R's between neck and bridge positions and between two different guitars, and I don't feel that the guitar drops out of the equation, tonally. Guitars in question: Ibanez RG270DX w/ OFR (and a glued-in neck), and a Music-Yo! Kramer Baretta. The differences between the guitars might not be as pronounced as they would be (?) with more conventional pickups, but they were still there -- enough that I had a totally different opinion of the 85 as a neck pickup between the two guitars.
 
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I want to know how people think making a neck through is harder? I seem to have more concern about making a bolt on.
 
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Do you spend more on wood for the neck-through?
 
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If you throw on extra springs and block the Floyd, most of the sustain difference between it and a hard tail disappear.

Yep! Im a huge believer in the big blocks and things that add mass on the a$$..... er, um, I mean back end of the floyd to boost sustain. I have big blocks on all my main floyd players and have added stainless lock screws on some that add alil more weight and it makes a diff. The screws are mostly for rust prevention, but they do weigh alil more.

As far as Floyd on a neck thru, Jackson soloists and Carvins and Im sure many others, (those are the ones I have first hand experience with) sustain killer. Aalot depends on the quality and setup of the Floyd
 
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Yep here is a custom ordered usa jackson screw up. I really shouldn't post this again but anyway who cares i dont think it will ruin sales for them or anything.






thats gorgeous!! is the screw up jut the setup right? block too far forward or am Im missing someth? What kinda pups are those??
 
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thats gorgeous!! is the screw up jut the setup right? block too far forward or am Im missing someth? What kinda pups are those??
Those are APC pickups (unless you knew that and were asking about the exact model). I hadn't heard of them before either. They seem a bit pricey normally, but apparently they're doing a sale.
 
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The color of that guitar is too nice to be a mistake. And even if it was...

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I think the bridge might be too far to the right, but maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.
 
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I think the bridge might be too far to the right, but maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.

yeah i think it was a whole heap of small things. Pickup alignment, bridge and routing is hideous especially for a custom order. I think the string falls off the fretboard when you play.

Anyway i am not saying anything bad about the custom shop i am just stating that its not always as black and white. Anyway forget i posted that picture now haha i feel bad i showed you guys.....
 
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yeah i think it was a whole heap of small things. Pickup alignment, bridge and routing is hideous especially for a custom order. I think the string falls off the fretboard when you play.

Anyway i am not saying anything bad about the custom shop i am just stating that its not always as black and white. Anyway forget i posted that picture now haha i feel bad i showed you guys.....

Did you get to see it in person?
 
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Did you get to see it in person?

Oh gosh no! haha but you only have to look at those pics to see its not right. I honestly dont know what point i was trying to make. I guess that even the pros can get it wrong when things are done completely by hand.
 
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Edgecrusher, good point. But dmoguitar's vids on cheap vs. expensive guitars on YouTube make a good point that quality control even on USA models can be all over the map.

In view of your analogy, a blow up doll might actually be worth more than a real woman if the woman bankrupts a fellow without any benefit in return for the cost. :)

Again, I think we've reached the conclusion that it's going to be a case by case basis.

The odds of getting a better guitar from a custom shop is much higher than one from the bargain bin. With anything hand produced there will be variance. But that doesnt mean you should avoid them just cause there is a chance. I will gladly stack up the quality of a custom shop vs any other... 1 bad one for every 1000 guitars is much better than 1 bad one for every 3. Do you get my drift?

But then I think you just want validation that your specs on paper are just the same that your guitar is just as good. Listen if your happy with your parts caster great! its a wonderful to have a guitar you like. But dont try to tear down or devalue other guitars to justify it. Saying there is no difference does a real injustice to people who try to build quality products.

When I lived in China I faced that everyday when working with companies. They would offer you a product and you would say "Its not right" and their response would be to show you that on paper its just the same. I cant tell you how many times they told me literally "It looks the same so it is the same" The diamond analogy comes from there we were quite literally offered cubic zirconia cause its the same. Its not the same.
 
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The odds of getting a better guitar from a custom shop is much higher than one from the bargain bin. With anything hand produced there will be variance. But that doesnt mean you should avoid them just cause there is a chance. I will gladly stack up the quality of a custom shop vs any other... 1 bad one for every 1000 guitars is much better than 1 bad one for every 3. Do you get my drift?

But then I think you just want validation that your specs on paper are just the same that your guitar is just as good. Listen if your happy with your parts caster great! its a wonderful to have a guitar you like. But dont try to tear down or devalue other guitars to justify it. Saying there is no difference does a real injustice to people who try to build quality products.

I dont really have to worry about it man because i make my own guitars now. And no not a ****ing parts caster although i do enjoy doing that too. Obviously a handmade guitar is better thats why i said i didn't know what point i was trying to make. If anyone knows the work that goes into making something one off its me ok, Have you not seen my fullmap thread? I have lost hair stressing over that build:wave:
 
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I dont really have to worry about it man because i make my own guitars now. And no not a ****ing parts caster although i do enjoy doing that too. Obviously a handmade guitar is better thats why i said i didn't know what point i was trying to make. If anyone knows the work that goes into making something one off its me ok, Have you not seen my fullmap thread? I have lost hair stressing over that build:wave:

I asked if you saw the jackson in person cause the issues are not so blatantly obvious in the pics. Even then I dont always trust pics when it comes to string alignment as the angles can be decieving.

But thats neither here nor there my reply was to the OP of the thread not to your pic post. He posted that if he took his 200 dollar guitar and added a floyd and pickups to it that it would be equivalent to a custom shop instrument. And its just not so.
 
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