Need a mid boost overdrive that won’t cut bass

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I have a Boss SD-1 which does a nice boost in the mids and adds sustains for solos but it is cutting so much bass for two of my guitars with Full Shred and STK-S6 in bridge. Would the Seymour Duncan 805 let the bass thru? I really like the idea of 3 band eq in pedals but not sure if it being tube screamer inspired will also cut too much bass for me.
 
Yeah, I believe that is what the 3 band active EQ does really well. It also has more gain range than an SD1. Now it is difficult to go back to any overdrive pedal with a single tone control.
 
I'm big on the Maxon st9pro+ right now. It has a low-boost mode that really adds an aggressive and tight thump to the extra-saturated screamer tone.
Recently snagged a second unit because they will be hard to get at a non-inflated price soon. Maxon is basically done from what I can see.
 
Oh, there are plenty.

You can start with the Boss SD-1W in Custom mode if you like your SD-1, just want a little extra bass.

The 805 has plenty on bass on tap on that EQ knob. With the bass knob at 12 o'clock, I actually find it has less bas than a stock Tube Screamer. But once you get past 1:30-2:00-ish, you start getting past what a TS is capable of as far as bass goes. As mincer said, it has more range in the gain knob as well. It's cleaner at lower settings and more gainy at higher settings.

Also, keep in mind a bone-stock Tube Screamer cuts less bass than an SD-1. It still cuts a lot. But the SD-1 is pretty extreme, TBH. That's kinda why I prefer it.

But a Tube Screamer (and an 805), while close to an SD-1 is fundamentally different in the feel. An SD-1 is more raspy, rougher, and overall, more aggressive and attacky. You can't just turn up the tone knob on a Tube Screamer to match it. It just doesn't sound the same.

An EQD Plumes I believe also clips diodes assymetrically, so the voicing is kind of similar to an SD-1. It just has A LOT more bass and output.

Also, look into Klon-type pedals. I love my TC Electronic Zeus better than my JRD Archer, TBH. Way more affordable and with actual Germanium diodes!
 
I'm big on the Maxon st9pro+ right now. It has a low-boost mode that really adds an aggressive and tight thump to the extra-saturated screamer tone.
Recently snagged a second unit because they will be hard to get at a non-inflated price soon. Maxon is basically done from what I can see.

Is Maxon pedals really going out of businessr?
It sounds as if the German software company Maxon may be floundering.
But I think the Japanese pedal maker is an entirely different Maxon, no affiliation.

I have an OD808 that I bought as a replacement for my original TubeScreamer when I retired that from active duty.
I like the Maxon - soundwise it's pretty much a dead ringer for the one I'd been using since 1980.
 
I had a similar experience with my SD-1 when I was playing with the post-Hardcore band. I was not getting the low-end thump and low-mids grind I needed for hardcore. I ended up buying the BOSS MD-2 and problem solved. It has great EQ and I do not see myself using all the gain the pedal has on deck ever.


 
Is Maxon pedals really going out of businessr?
It sounds as if the German software company Maxon may be floundering.
But I think the Japanese pedal maker is an entirely different Maxon, no affiliation.

I have an OD808 that I bought as a replacement for my original TubeScreamer when I retired that from active duty.
I like the Maxon - soundwise it's pretty much a dead ringer for the one I'd been using since 1980.
Is your 808 from the 1980? Wow. Must be pricy nowadays.

I have a modern TS808 that I bought like 15 years ago. One of the first pedals I actually got. Never been a pedal guy, but I started obsessing with boosts as soon as I started venturing into actual tube amps. Either way, the Maxon OD808 I later got definitely sounded different from it. I've read the Maxon is actually based off the TS10. I've also read TS9, so I don't know. But the OD808 actually sounded wider. More top-end detail, less lows cut, less honky mids. More transparent, but at the same time, less Tube Screamer-y, I found. Good boost for sure, but not dead on to what my modern 808 does. Keep in mind, the differences were not night and day, TBH. You could easily get one to do the job of the other, however.

Keep in mind I am one of those dudes who obssess about the minute differences between Tube Screamers. I've owned the TS808, TS9, OD808, OD9, TC Mocambo, and EHX East River Drive as far as straight-up non-modded Tube Screamer circuits go. They all sound slightly different, but if you're not mega picky, they all do 99% the same job, TBH.

And like I said, all stock Tube Screamers sound fatter than an SD-1. An SD-1's low-end rolloff is noticeably more extreme. But the character is not the same. There is certainly a lot more difference between a TS808 and an SD-1 than between a TS808 and a TS9. And that character difference not only has to do with the asymmetrical clipping, but on other component values that are different. An SD-1 has more gain range than a TS808, less output volume, and the tone control works in a slightly different frequency range.
 
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Is Maxon pedals really going out of businessr?
It sounds as if the German software company Maxon may be floundering.
But I think the Japanese pedal maker is an entirely different Maxon, no affiliation.

I have an OD808 that I bought as a replacement for my original TubeScreamer when I retired that from active duty.
I like the Maxon - soundwise it's pretty much a dead ringer for the one I'd been using since 1980.

I'm not sure they are going out, but Godlyke doesn't carry them anymore and when I go to Maxonfx.com everything is out of stock except for their power-all systems and some velcro dual-lock.
There was a video I'll link from awhile back announcing Godlyke would no longer be associated.

I think their more common stuff will be easy to get regardless, and at an OK price,,,,,but less common models will skyrocket in today's crazy collector market.
Hope I'm wrong about all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3GQ9zSIdLM
 
THere's also this if you want to stay along the lines of the SD-1
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But keep in mind something. The reason why an SD-1/TS808 boosts mids is exactly because it cuts lows and highs.

If you mod a TS to have more lows, one of two (or both) things can happen. One is you decrease the mid focus. The other is you bring the mid focus down to an area of the lower mids where it becomes muddy or stuffy.

So basically, what people who mod TS's do to counter this is give it more highs as well. So what happens then is you either decrease or completely lose the mid focus of the pedal. Which is not a bad thing. Maybe you want that. But at that point, it's not really a Tube Screamer anymore, IMO.
 
Is your 808 from the 1980? Wow. Must be pricy nowadays.

I have a modern TS808 that I bought like 15 years ago. One of the first pedals I actually got. Never been a pedal guy, but I started obsessing with boosts as soon as I started venturing into actual tube amps. Either way, the Maxon OD808 I later got definitely sounded different from it. I've read the Maxon is actually based off the TS10. I've also read TS9, so I don't know. But the OD808 actually sounded wider. More top-end detail, less lows cut, less honky mids. More transparent, but at the same time, less Tube Screamer-y, I found. Good boost for sure, but not dead on to what my modern 808 does. Keep in mind, the differences were not night and day, TBH. You could easily get one to do the job of the other, however.

Keep in mind I am one of those dudes who obssess about the minute differences between Tube Screamers. I've owned the TS808, TS9, OD808, OD9, TC Mocambo, and EHX East River Drive as far as straight-up non-modded Tube Screamer circuits go. They all sound slightly different, but if you're not mega picky, they all do 99% the same job, TBH.

And like I said, all stock Tube Screamers sound fatter than an SD-1. An SD-1's low-end rolloff is noticeably more extreme. But the character is not the same. There is certainly a lot more difference between a TS808 and an SD-1 than between a TS808 and a TS9. And that character difference not only has to do with the asymmetrical clipping, but on other component values that are different. An SD-1 has more gain range than a TS808, less output volume, and the tone control works in a slightly different frequency range.

Thanks for the comparison. I didn't notice any difference but by the time I switched, the TS wasn't my primary OD anymore.
I've never actually compared my Maxon side by side with the original or with my favorite TS-type, a VFE Pale Horse.
For me the TS magic only manifests fully when pushing an amp that's already breaking up a bit.
I'm running my amps cleaner these days so it's less useful - and less used - than when it was a mainstay.

My 808 is part of a box that served as my pedalboard through much of the 80s, an Ibanez UE300.
It combines a decent comp, the TS and a stereo chorus in one chassis with AC power.
Back in '79/80 I think there was still only one Tube Screamer. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
But many seem to agree the UE300 contains the original circuit and the correct chip.

I used it with an Echoplex, back by the amp where I could reach it easily (later an MXR System II - no moving parts).
Along with the great lead channel in my Boogie Mk II, that was all I needed in the 80s.

Liked the UE300 enough that I bought a second one right away as a spare (was already writing off gear purchases by then).
One of them eventually got stolen in NYC around '89. Was very glad I had another.

The unit does have one design flaw that affects durability: its input jack is soldered directly to the circuit board.
When one of mine started going intermittent, our soundman rewired both with regular jacks. Never had another issue.

Maxon offered a UE300 under their own brand also and I figure the two probably are identical.
A lot of Ibanez electronics were made by Maxon back then, including the original 808.

It's kind of a forgotten pedal now but it was fairly popular in its time. Handy combo of effects - I've sometimes used mine on bass too.
You see them sometimes on eBay and Reverb, a real bargain considering what a vintage TS goes for these days.
 
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As much as mid boosts are popular, I think that more people would benefit from a clean boost. Especially with a good distinctive tone that you just want louder for a lead.
And a top boost into an already overdriven amp can be a thing of beauty.

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Might want to look hard at the Nobels ODR-1 and the clones. I prefer the Wampler Belle myself out of all of them. I cant use a Tube Screamer any more after running a Belle for a while.
 
As much as mid boosts are popular, I think that more people would benefit from a clean boost. Especially with a good distinctive tone that you just want louder for a lead.
And a top boost into an already overdriven amp can be a thing of beauty.

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I have tried that too and that is great when you want the "transparent" thing, like it better for rhythm but my amp already has a rhythm tone I like, lots of crunch while keeps dynamics and a balanced EQ that is very articulated. Now on top of that I need some extra distortion with more mids for leads because the two pickups I mentioned are already and cutting bass does not help, specially the Full Shred bridge which is already very tight, but also need to option to maintain the volume level even, sometimes louder is not needed, just more mids and more sustain.
 
The Forza was a 'all frequency boost' overdrive, not favoring any frequency over the other. It had a 3 band active EQ to boost or cut whatever you want.
 
The Forza was a 'all frequency boost' overdrive, not favoring any frequency over the other. It had a 3 band active EQ to boost or cut whatever you want.
I never quite understood the Forza myself. Was it also a TS-inspired circuit, or was it something entirely different?

I mean, EQ-wise, I understand it wasnt. But what about clipping? Did it blend the clean and the dirty signal like the 805/TS808 does?

I love my 805, but I find it's a bit too clean, tight, and polished to do the SD-1 thing. It's certainly a "better" pedal 90% of the time, but sometimes you want grindy and dirty.
 
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