Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

phil_104

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Hey all,

As some of you might know, I acquired a PRS CE24 maple top before last summer, and it has become my #1 guitar, to the point where I sold off the rest of my collection exept for a single other electric. I found ‘my guitar’, and I love it even after the honeymoon. It just fits with me, has the perfect neck and is made of a really nice 1 piece mahogany back that resonates like no other guitar I have had before. So here is the thing : being a gearhead and ‘screwcounter’ like many of you here, I am looking to change the only thing in this guitar that I am not 100% satisfied with, ; the pickups.

When speaking of the overall tone of the guitar, the best way to describe it would be like a Les Paul, but with the clarity of a strat. It’s very responsive and snappy, but has a very ballanced tone.

Right now, the guitar has the HFS pickups. They are not bad pickups in any regards, it is just that they are ‘meh’. They are very versatile and are capable of producing many great tones, but I find them lacking in some respects. In terms of what I am looking for, I essentially want the same base sound of the HFS, but with a few differences.

Bridge : I would like to have the same articulation and clarity of the HFS, but with more output. I want a tight and focused sound that can crunch and give me good note definition and sustain for single note playing, as I mostly play leads and power chords.

Neck : I like the clarity and the sweetness of the HFS, but I would like a little more presence. I need something that will match well with the hotter bridge that I plan on installing. When playing clean, I want something that can handle my finger picking style.

Overall : I need a set that will match well, and on top of all of that, I need them to split well, as I use a push-pull pot to get that single coil sound. This is very important to me.

Style of music I want to cover : I am currently in a cover band that is forming. Bass_Bear might be able to clarify, but I think I would call the style blues-rock-progressive-folk lol. We play anything from ZZ-Top-esque riffs, to David Bowie, to Steve Miller, to border line metal-rock. We also play classical music that is adapted to hard rock, kinda trans-siberian orchestra style. A large part of my playing is, as Jay calls it ‘lyrical’, meaning that it is slow and based largely on feel and individual notes. I want pickups that can fit with that style. I am not looking to copy or imitate artist tones, as I very much have my own sound, but I want something that can fit in those styles.

So for you who are not familiar with the guitar, here are the specs :
- Maple neck, rosewood fretboard
- Mahogany back, maple top.
- 24 frets ( this changes the neck pickup placement)
- Vintage trem, locking tuners
- 3 way switch, 1 volume, 1 tone push-pull to split the pickups
- The guitar will be set up with either 10 or 11 guage strings.

As of now, I was looking at a few combinations, such as a Distortion-Jazz combo, or even maybe a custom or something or sorts. I could try magnet swaps, but as strange as it may seem, I like the idea of duncans in my #1 guitar, as I have been a supporter for years, and spoken well about the pickups to many people. I want to practice what I preach.

What do you guys think? Which pickups are right for this guitar?

PS : I play exclusively through a Mesa Express series, if that can help.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

From what you describe, I think you'd be happy with an El Diablo in the bridge and a Demon in the neck.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

From what you describe, I think you'd be happy with an El Diablo in the bridge and a Demon in the neck.

Alright, I found the El Diablo. I will be checking it out. I noticed it is custom shop though, is there anything in the regular production line that would be in the ballpark, as I am on a student budget.

Thanks for the advice.

Edit : Maybe I am just being thrown off by the name, but would the demon neck still be able to deliver a somewhat vintage tone with some sweetness to it?
 
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Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

how about a jazz(n) and Custom5 (b)?

This is also a combo that I considered. My only concern is that I hear the custom 5 is a more vintage version of the other custom pickups, with slightly less output, and I don't know if that would work well for what I am looking for. It was totally on my short list though, and I will seriously consider it if other people have the same opinion.

The jazz on the other hand seems to be exactly what I am looking for at this point.

EDIT : After further studying of the specs, this combo seems to make a lot of sense. I was originally thinking of perhaps a distortion bridge, but the custom 5 would probably voice very well with the jazz since they are both A5 mags. I just need to figure out if it will give me that clarity and output I am looking for, but from the description, it might be the ticket.
 
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Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

i think custom5's are really a very good choice for a maple cap / mahogany body ... i have a C5b one of my guitars that was notorious for being thin in the the bridge and this just gave it such a fullness ... it is plenty tight on power chords and really sings for soloing .. just a tiny hint of very musical compression when cranked to 10 and retains all the subtlety you'd want it to at ~7-8 ... i've never had a problem with output at all ... and with a mesa, i doubt you will either ... oh yeah, it splits reall well too ... i have mine wired with a (reverse wired/mag flipped) 59n and a push/pull and 5 way and get the inner/outer combos a la the old school PRS wiring - highly recommend

there are surely other good choices out there .. but i think this is right there with them

t4d
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

i think custom5's are really a very good choice for a maple cap / mahogany body ... i have a C5b one of my guitars that was notorious for being thin in the the bridge and this just gave it such a fullness ... it is plenty tight on power chords and really sings for soloing .. just a tiny hint of very musical compression when cranked to 10 and retains all the subtlety you'd want it to at ~7-8 ... i've never had a problem with output at all ... and with a mesa, i doubt you will either ... oh yeah, it splits reall well too ... i have mine wired with a (reverse wired/mag flipped) 59n and a push/pull and 5 way and get the inner/outer combos a la the old school PRS wiring - highly recommend

there are surely other good choices out there .. but i think this is right there with them

t4d

Thanks a bunch for the advice! I like how you describe it as having a hint of musical compression when cranked, as that is something that would totally appeal to me.

I will of course wait and see what other brothers have to say, but this is on top of my list at the moment.

Thanks for the great advice.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

Alright, I found the El Diablo. I will be checking it out. I noticed it is custom shop though, is there anything in the regular production line that would be in the ballpark, as I am on a student budget.

Thanks for the advice.

Edit : Maybe I am just being thrown off by the name, but would the demon neck still be able to deliver a somewhat vintage tone with some sweetness to it?

There's nothing out there like the Diablo. It's very hot, but has a very wide frequency response with no offending spikes in any frequency. The bass is big and tight and the highs, while being very clear, is not shrill at all.

As far as the Demon in the neck, think of it as a Jazz with a sweeter top end, bigger mids, and more output. It splits much better as well. There's no mud in the lows and it takes to high gain much better, IMHO.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

There's nothing out there like the Diablo. It's very hot, but has a very wide frequency response with no offending spikes in any frequency. The bass is big and tight and the highs, while being very clear, is not shrill at all.

As far as the Demon in the neck, think of it as a Jazz with a sweeter top end, bigger mids, and more output. It splits much better as well. There's no mud in the lows and it takes to high gain much better, IMHO.

I am not gonna lie, that sounds killer. I will try and find sound clips of the Diablo. Perhaps it is just what I am looking for. How does it handle power chords and rhythm work?

Demon also sounds like a wicked option. If ever the Diablo doesn't work out, how would it match up with another bridge, like the custom for example?
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

hmn.... something sweet in the neck to compliment something hard-rockin' in the bridge? a3 jazz and custom8:D
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

hmn.... something sweet in the neck to compliment something hard-rockin' in the bridge? a3 jazz and custom8:D

Yeah, a swap could be a good idea, but I want to see if there is some regular production product that would fit the bill first.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

The Diablo handles rythm work about as well as a Custom or Distortion, while the single note work is similar to a CC. It's thick and juicy without being flubby or boomy.

The Demon pairs very well with a Custom, DD, JB, and PATB-1b (what I,ve tried it with). I imagine any of the hotter Duncans would wok well.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

The Diablo handles rythm work about as well as a Custom or Distortion, while the single note work is similar to a CC. It's thick and juicy without being flubby or boomy.

The Demon pairs very well with a Custom, DD, JB, and PATB-1b (what I,ve tried it with). I imagine any of the hotter Duncans would wok well.

Thanks for the info. I will check my local shop to get prices on everything, and then I will get started. I will have to try the diablo, the demon, the custom 5, the custom and the jazz.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

Hey all,

As some of you might know, I acquired a PRS CE24 maple top before last summer, and it has become my #1 guitar, to the point where I sold off the rest of my collection exept for a single other electric. I found ‘my guitar’, and I love it even after the honeymoon. It just fits with me, has the perfect neck and is made of a really nice 1 piece mahogany back that resonates like no other guitar I have had before. So here is the thing : being a gearhead and ‘screwcounter’ like many of you here, I am looking to change the only thing in this guitar that I am not 100% satisfied with, ; the pickups.

When speaking of the overall tone of the guitar, the best way to describe it would be like a Les Paul, but with the clarity of a strat. It’s very responsive and snappy, but has a very ballanced tone.

Right now, the guitar has the HFS pickups. They are not bad pickups in any regards, it is just that they are ‘meh’. They are very versatile and are capable of producing many great tones, but I find them lacking in some respects. In terms of what I am looking for, I essentially want the same base sound of the HFS, but with a few differences.

Bridge : I would like to have the same articulation and clarity of the HFS, but with more output. I want a tight and focused sound that can crunch and give me good note definition and sustain for single note playing, as I mostly play leads and power chords.

Neck : I like the clarity and the sweetness of the HFS, but I would like a little more presence. I need something that will match well with the hotter bridge that I plan on installing. When playing clean, I want something that can handle my finger picking style.

Overall : I need a set that will match well, and on top of all of that, I need them to split well, as I use a push-pull pot to get that single coil sound. This is very important to me.

Style of music I want to cover : I am currently in a cover band that is forming. Bass_Bear might be able to clarify, but I think I would call the style blues-rock-progressive-folk lol. We play anything from ZZ-Top-esque riffs, to David Bowie, to Steve Miller, to border line metal-rock. We also play classical music that is adapted to hard rock, kinda trans-siberian orchestra style. A large part of my playing is, as Jay calls it ‘lyrical’, meaning that it is slow and based largely on feel and individual notes. I want pickups that can fit with that style. I am not looking to copy or imitate artist tones, as I very much have my own sound, but I want something that can fit in those styles.

So for you who are not familiar with the guitar, here are the specs :
- Maple neck, rosewood fretboard
- Mahogany back, maple top.
- 24 frets ( this changes the neck pickup placement)
- Vintage trem, locking tuners
- 3 way switch, 1 volume, 1 tone push-pull to split the pickups
- The guitar will be set up with either 10 or 11 guage strings.

As of now, I was looking at a few combinations, such as a Distortion-Jazz combo, or even maybe a custom or something or sorts. I could try magnet swaps, but as strange as it may seem, I like the idea of duncans in my #1 guitar, as I have been a supporter for years, and spoken well about the pickups to many people. I want to practice what I preach.

What do you guys think? Which pickups are right for this guitar?

PS : I play exclusively through a Mesa Express series, if that can help.


Unless somone modded that guitar the neck pickup will be a Vintage Bass not an HFS. No such thing as an HFS neck.

I like the Custom Custom bridge and Alnico II pro neck in a Cu24.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

You sound like allot of what I am into... hard to describe and play and like allot of 'old' rock but want more punch and beef.... join the club. I tried the C5 in two different guitars, and to my ears it sounds like a bloated 59... not really punchy, but it is obviously popular!

The distortion may not actually be a bad choice. That thing is punchy and cutting but can be tamed if you know how to use your vol and tone knob.

I really liked my El Diablo I had in a custom import washburn (too bad the guitar was bleh). It was AMAZING for rhythm playing and thicker than peanut butter, but still clear and punchy... really did have a black sabbath feel to it... almost grindy in a sense.

I am currently using a Suhr Aldrich pickup, very different pickup. It kinda plays like a low output but punches like a high output. Almost dumped it, but pickup height plays a big role with this one.

I really want to try a Full Shred one day and some black outs. Pickups are FUN to mess with!
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

I would think that a ceramic wouldn't be the best choice for that guitar and the style that you play. I would say Pearly Gates/Custom Custom or '59/Custom 5
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

I would think that a ceramic wouldn't be the best choice for that guitar and the style that you play. I would say Pearly Gates/Custom Custom or '59/Custom 5

Well, the HFS is ceramic, and he likes the HFS, so.......ceramics should be fine. :28:
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

I have gone back to a C5 (SH-14) after having used a PG8 for several months...

What I do know for sure... is the Jazz sounds great in the neck no matter what!
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Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

If you want something similar to the distortion in output but more vocal I'd go with the Alt 8. It has a similar low end/low mid thing going on like the distortion but has a rounded top end. But it really depends on how you like your lead tone.

If you like a sharper lead tone that can really scream then go with distortion. If you like a fluid lead tone that is more round and vocal then go with teh Alt 8.

Both are going to do rhythm/power chords very well. But if you do alot of full chords under distortion then I'd go with Alt 8. Its a bit more open sounding than the Distortion and has better clarity in that situation. I use one in an Ibanez SZ, which is pretty close to a PRS in specs, mahogany body, set neck, thick maple top and a 25.1" scale, and I'm really happy with it.
 
Re: Need advice : Pups for my PRS CE24 Maple Top

In terms of what I am looking for, I essentially want the same base sound of the HFS, but with a few differences.

I could try magnet swaps, but as strange as it may seem, I like the idea of duncans in my #1 guitar, as I have been a supporter for years, and spoken well about the pickups to many people. I want to practice what I preach.

I think minor pickup mods would be better for you. If you want the base sound of the HFS with a little extra, why chase the tone you already have with new pickups? Nothing wrong with having stock puppies in your #1; I doubt anyone will call you out on it. Go with what sounds good!

Replacing the bridge is probably a good idea... you want more output than a ceramic HFS, so short of raising the pickup there's not much you can do. Though, you could disconnect it from the tone pot.

For the neck, I think some hex screws will give you exactly what you want - more presence, better keeping up with a hotter bridge, better for fingerstyle. I put hex screws in my V-paf set for the exact same reason, more presence, and it sounds stellar. If you put hex screws in the bridge it may give you what you want as well... but in the neck, it will definitely give you what you want. Heck you may as well try it, 5 bucks for 100 of them.
 
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