Need Fast Advise on Les paul Custom

[superpete]

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Thats interesting logic... So is it only Gibson that deserves to have their products ripped off? What about all the fake Jems floating around? The fake ESP's?


Would you have bought the guitar you have if it didnt say Gibson on the headstock? If they sold as just a single cut off brand?

i would definitely have bought it if it didn't say gibson on the headstock.

the fake esps and ibanez are actually a bigger problem IMO. anyone who can't tell a fake gibson from a real one should do a little more homework. the tells of a fake gibson are pretty glaring.

 

[GilmourD]

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i would definitely have bought it if it didn't say gibson on the headstock.

the fake esps and ibanez are actually a bigger problem IMO. anyone who can't tell a fake gibson from a real one should do a little more homework. the tells of a fake gibson are pretty glaring.

Most of the victims are the unknowing.

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[superpete]

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You're perfectly entitled to criticize Gibson's practices. However, just because you believe their reputation will not be tarnished, does not make it a reality. My argument is that counterfeits have a lower standard of quality (just this thread is one of many examples). You cannot use the counter-argument that counterfeits are trying to compete with Gibson in producing a quality guitar either. The counterfeiters are knowingly trying to sell their product with someone else's name brand recognition. They're trying to emulate, not compete, and they can't put in as much labor or attention to detail an equal quality instrument would require to keep the price low enough. Now, the fundamental issue is that Gibson as a company has the right to have control over their brand's intellectual property and their brand's output, which affects their reputation, but counterfeiters diminish and take away those rights. Do you agree or disagree that every company deserves the rights to their intellectual property and output affecting their reputation? If you disagree, saying companies don't deserve those rights, why? Please explain.

i don't think the counterfeits are competing with gibson in quality. i think their specs are currently more accurate to a classic les paul, but no, the quality isn't there. that's why it's funny that someone would think they are damaging gibsons name. anyone with a passing knowledge of gibsons can spot a fake in 30 seconds.

 

[Wormhelmet]

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I was out of the market for nearly 17 years just using my Ibanez Artist until I bought my new Epiphone and new Jackson. I had no idea there were fakes trying to pass as the real thing. Should have guessed it though with so many fakes of other equipment. I don't think I would have been able to tell. I owned the one Deluxe as my only Gibson back in the 80's.

I don't have any guitar brand knowledge enough on any brands to tell fakes. I just play my guitars.

 

[AlexR]

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i don't think the counterfeits are competing with gibson in quality. i think their specs are currently more accurate to a classic les paul, but no, the quality isn't there. that's why it's funny that someone would think they are damaging gibsons name. anyone with a passing knowledge of gibsons can spot a fake in 30 seconds.

They certainly aren't, they are generally known as the way you scam someone who doesn't know better. There are plenty of people out there who are new players, or those inexperienced in the tells of a genuine article. For someone who doesn't even know there are fakes out there, with some of the more subtle fraudulent guitars there exists the distinct possibility of rip-off. For this reason alone the whole practice and all its adherents have to be shunned.

 

[Myaccount876]

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i don't think the counterfeits are competing with gibson in quality. i think their specs are currently more accurate to a classic les paul, but no, the quality isn't there. that's why it's funny that someone would think they are damaging gibsons name. anyone with a passing knowledge of gibsons can spot a fake in 30 seconds.

Jerry owns and has owned a couple of real Gibsons. He still had to ask the forum about this one. And it is unreasonable to expect everyone to have the knowledge to spot a fake, which will affect Gibson's reputation because a counterfeit bears Gibson's name.

You're still avoiding the fundamental question: Do you agree or disagree that every company, including Gibson, deserves the rights to their intellectual property and output affecting their reputation? If you disagree, saying that companies don't deserve those rights, why? Please explain.

 

[Snake Aces]

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i think you're reframing the argument. I didn't say that the gibsons were inferior to the chibsons, i meant that for every person who gets burned on craigslist because they don't know what to look for in a les paul, there are 10 people who play the 2015 gibsons and feel gibson is screwing up. Both are bad for gibson's rep, but i believe that what gibson is doing to themselves is far more damaging to their reputation than someone buying a fake guitar. You may not. It's fine.

Just because Gibson made some guitars in 2015 that some of us old school Gibson fans do not appreciate does not mean Gibson is screwing up. It does nothing to tarnish the 100 years of products that came before. If Gibson is having a down year in sales I would imagine it would be easy for them to go back and correct their mistakes in the future.

I am not "reframing" the argument, I am saying your justification for owning a counterfeit guitar is way off base man.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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Just because Gibson made some guitars in 2015 that some of us old school Gibson fans do not appreciate does not mean Gibson is screwing up. It does nothing to tarnish the 100 years of products that came before. If Gibson is having a down year in sales I would imagine it would be easy for them to go back and correct their mistakes in the future.

I am not "reframing" the argument, I am saying your justification for owning a counterfeit guitar is way off base man.

At least Gibson is taking risks and trying to do something new. I don't like them, but they are doing something. I think after 2015, we won't see the zero nuts and automatic tuners, but there's a lot of things they're doing right currently.

 

[Snake Aces]

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At least Gibson is taking risks and trying to do something new. I don't like them, but they are doing something. I think after 2015, we won't see the zero nuts and automatic tuners, but there's a lot of things they're doing right currently.

From my eyes (a Gibson fan), I agree 100%. Sometimes you have to take risks. Sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don't. They are trying to prevent becoming dinosaurs, good for them even if they took a step backwards this year.

From my perspective (that doesn't matter), the secret for Gibson is to reduce the amount of guitars they are making. Begin focusing on quality instead of quantity. Stick to the recipe of success. People buy things like a SG or a Les Paul because they are a SG or a Les Paul. They don't need games and gimmicks.

I would also really love to see Gibson jump ahead of the game by offering some custom finish options and maybe even body wood options (nothing ridiculous, just a swamp ash option, maybe korina and of course the standard mahogany) and possibly the option to go solid or swiss cheesed. Just offering consumers these options without charging ridiculous custom shop prices would go a long, long way in the future. The main reason I play Warmoth LP's and Regals instead of Gibsons is because they offer the simple, basic options I am looking for. If Gibson did that they would have retained me as a customer and if they started doing it in the future they would probably get me back if their prices didn't skyrocket as a result.

 

[MEESTERIDLE]

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All of the proportions around the headstock look out. The 'heads look too close together, leaving too much headstock beyond the D and G posts.

The line of the cutaway does not look rounded enough - even allowing for the five-ply binding.

Agree with the wood shapes. Looks badly off.

 

[MEESTERIDLE]

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i don't think the counterfeits are competing with gibson in quality. i think their specs are currently more accurate to a classic les paul, but no, the quality isn't there. that's why it's funny that someone would think they are damaging gibsons name. anyone with a passing knowledge of gibsons can spot a fake in 30 seconds.

It seems it's more of a problem of folks getting ripped off. The fakes are so badly faked that there's no way it could hurt Gibson's quality reputation.

 

[Aceman]

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SHoulda went to play it. What if it was a feel and tone BEAST?

Who cares where/how it was made.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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From my eyes (a Gibson fan), I agree 100%. Sometimes you have to take risks. Sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don't. They are trying to prevent becoming dinosaurs, good for them even if they took a step backwards this year.

From my perspective (that doesn't matter), the secret for Gibson is to reduce the amount of guitars they are making. Begin focusing on quality instead of quantity. Stick to the recipe of success. People buy things like a SG or a Les Paul because they are a SG or a Les Paul. They don't need games and gimmicks.

I would also really love to see Gibson jump ahead of the game by offering some custom finish options and maybe even body wood options (nothing ridiculous, just a swamp ash option, maybe korina and of course the standard mahogany) and possibly the option to go solid or swiss cheesed. Just offering consumers these options without charging ridiculous custom shop prices would go a long, long way in the future. The main reason I play Warmoth LP's and Regals instead of Gibsons is because they offer the simple, basic options I am looking for. If Gibson did that they would have retained me as a customer and if they started doing it in the future they would probably get me back if their prices didn't skyrocket as a result.

I meant to say I don't like the current guitars, but I'm most definitely a Gibby Guy.

 

[Wormhelmet]

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SHoulda went to play it. What if it was a feel and tone BEAST?

Who cares where/how it was made.

Why would you want a guitar with a brand name if its not that brand? I would assume it was being represented for more value because of the name. You could just as easily try out an off brand that was semi decent playing and have a great setup done on it to play and feel great. Would you pay higher prices for an amp that said Marshall but really wasn't just because it sounded good? Particularly if you are trading sonething of value that you actually paid a good price for and not exactly jumping to get rid of unless its a trade up.

 

[superpete]

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I am not "reframing" the argument, I am saying your justification for owning a counterfeit guitar is way off base man.

i don't need to justify owning a counterfeit guitar to anyone, anymore than i need to justify owning 6 gibsons, 4 epiphones, and one orville to anyone. i play what i want, i own what i want, and if it bothers you, it's not my concern.

 

[AlexR]

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^ This post says everything about you.....pathetic really.

 

[uOpt]

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Here is another one. Auction discloses it as a knockoff, a usable one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400947362083?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

 

[Myaccount876]

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There's a difference between knock-offs and counterfeits. Counterfeits are made to look like the real thing, knock offs would be obvious attempts to copy, but slightly changing something to avoid legal issues. I'm still not sure if it is legal to try and sell a counterfeit even if you advertise it as a counterfeit.

i don't need to justify owning a counterfeit guitar to anyone, anymore than i need to justify owning 6 gibsons, 4 epiphones, and one orville to anyone. i play what i want, i own what i want, and if it bothers you, it's not my concern.

"Me me me me me me me me me"

That's some solid logic there.

 

[GilmourD]

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OK, guys. While superpete has certainly stepped into some dubious legality here, keep yourselves on the right side of the forum rules.

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[Edgecrusher]

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I'm still not sure if it is legal to try and sell a counterfeit even if you advertise it as a counterfeit.

It is not legal, either knowingly or unknowingly to sell a counterfeit. Now if you were to sell to your best bud Buford you would have no problems cause neither Gibson nor the authorities would have a way to discover the transaction. But putting it on eBay, reverb or craigslist can and has drawn the attention of Gibson lately and some people have wound up in sticky messes