Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

RealtyViking

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Looking at a few different Fender Twin Reverbs. I am specifically considering a 1969 Silverface, a 1965 RI and a few others.

I don't mind the weight and enjoy the twins I have played loud and proud. My question is can I easily pull two power tubes and a speaker to make the amp more usable (40-50 watts 1x12) for smaller occasions? Anyone tried this with success and is one model better than the others for the purpose?

Thanks.
 
Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

forget pulling power tubes. It wont make it much softer, and you have to change the speaker load too.
Is the 1969 a non-master volume model? If so its still using the old ab763 circuit, so its the same as the all time classics that solder sniffers love. A couple of cap changes and you have a blackface model. The Reissue shares the same circuit also, except its on a PCB as opposed to the original amp's point to point wiring. If it was my choice id go the 1969. It may need some money spent replacing some worn out caps etc, but apart from that it will hold or increase in value. There is also bragging rights associated with having an original! lol
As far as speakers go, the 1969 amp could have just about anything in it by now, and the reissue has jensen c12K's. Im not a fan of the jensens - they are quite bright and cutting which accentuates the ear splitting repuation of twins. Essentially then, given that you want to use the amp in various situations, chances are both the 1969 and the reissue would benefit from a speaker swap - so factor that in too.
If you really want to reduce overall perciaved volume but still have plenty of fatness, the trick is to use less efficient speakers, combined with a subdued top end. Ive tried jensens, weber californias and have found the eminence texas heats to be a perfect match for me (my amp is a 1967). The speakers themselves can handle 150w each, so no problems with the power of the twin, but they have smaller magnets than most speakers of that power. What that addus up to is less efficiency (i.e. less volume) for every watt the amp puts out. In the case of a twin this is a really good thing. Add that to a fat low end and smooth tops and you get all the great fat bottom end of a twin without losing your hearing. Its a very sweet thing indeed. So yeh...if you want to tame your twin, use less efficient/darker speakers rather than pulling toobs.
Your idea of 1x12 also will not necessarily reduce volume...it will juts make the sound more directional. 85 watts going thru a 100db speaker is going to be the same volume as 85 watts going thru two 100db speakers, cos they share the load. If, however you use 97db speakers then you have reduced the volume by 3db.
Bear in mind that 100w amps are only like 3-6 db louder than 50w amps and you get the general idea.
I should mention that a 100db spl speaker can put out 100decibels with only one watt of power, so peak volume is very much about speaker efficiency rather than amp output. The extra watts in an amp really gives you more headroom which amounts to more bass. Its not usually bottom end that makes ppl cover their ears...its treble. So yeh, darker, less efficient speakers can change the much feared twin into an amp that has both the power AND the glory! Fat at any volume is a sweet thing indeed.
 
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Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

For "most" players, a 40-50 watt 1x12 is WAY too much for smaller occasions.
Are you sure you need a Twin.?
Perhaps something between a Del Rev and a Bassman would suffice.?
best
 
Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

You can easily pull 2 tube and disconnect one speaker but at that point it's not a lot less loud, it is less clean and it's still just as heavy...

Really worthless IMHO and yes I own a Twin Reverb and yes I've tried is a few times.

As an aside spend a little extra and get a nice early non master SF over a reissue...you'll be happier in the end.
 
Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

Sounds like you need a 65 DRRI more than a 65 Twin.

It would work better for the smaller venues, and if you are playing any really large venue you are probably going to be throwing a mic on your amp anyhow.

The 65 Twin is LOUD... like really loud.
 
Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

Thanks for the replies. Different speakers and other changes are always possible with me and amps.

Now today I went out on an epic amp hunt. I played more twins today than many will play in their life. A few notable examples were:

1. The 1969 which was just too heavily modded for me to be comfortable

2. A twin custom 15 which would have been mine if the owner would have come down a couple bucks.

3. Two RI's which were exactly what I thought they would be as I have played them before.

Then there was a mix of 70's silverfaces a red knob and a "Twin".

and the winner is...


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Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

wow! a twin II! i have its little brother, the princeton II. Great amps. PTP wiring, the whole shebang! Only thing is missing is the trem, but its got other cool options, like a master volume, so its a win either way. Nice cabs too. What speakers are in it?
 
Re: Need Fender Twin Reverb Help

wow! a twin II! i have its little brother, the princeton II. Great amps. PTP wiring, the whole shebang! Only thing is missing is the trem, but its got other cool options, like a master volume, so its a win either way. Nice cabs too. What speakers are in it?

They are the original Fender blue labels from Eminence. Since the amp has the metal toggles (1983-1984) instead of the plastic switches (1985-1986) I know it is a 1984 model as the speakers are dated 67-8415 (67= Eminence, 84= 1984 and 15 is the week of the year.)

All I really knew about the amp when buying it was that it was a Paul Rivera design and rare. Now that I am researching, I see quite a few references to Dumble features throughout the amp. The effects loop has separate send and return levels with a similar tube configuration and what some (who knows) describe as a similar OD circuit to the ODS if you want to mod in the unused triode in V5. Since I have never had the pleasure to play through a Dumble I cannot comment.

My biggest concern, at the moment, is that this amp should be in a museum. I have seen new amps at GC that don't look this good. It still has all of the original tubes and everything looks as new. If this amp has more than a couple hours of actual playing time I would be amazed.

I do know that I was floored to have a very good blackface clean with an OD that is not really like any other amp I have played, but very usable.
 
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