Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

[LesPaul1959]

My names is Kris and i recently finished up working on this Jimmy page style wiring setup from the schematic, it doesn't work for me as i just plugged in to try it out, (almost cried) I haven't checked all my solders though for continuity. anyways I had a couple questions for you. 1. Do I need to ground the selector switch or does it ground through the jack in this setup? and 2. i have an extra wire coming from my Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates pickups (neck and bridge) which i haven't hooked up to anything, they are bare wires. the schematic only shows to use 4? not sure if that's right? I also grounded all the grounds + the bridge ground to a small ground plate inside the cavity that i made and attached to the copper shielding. I have some Pictures if it helps.

Your help would be very much appreciated
thank you,
Kris.

 

[925SS]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

The bare wire from the pups is the ground For The Pups, NO GROUND= NO SIGNAL
Tie these two bare wires to your ground plate, along with a line from the jack's ground post, & the switch's ground post.
I'd say post some pics, but it wouldn't help, there's just toooooo much going on in these setups.

 

[LesPaul1959]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

The bare wire from the pups is the ground For The Pups, NO GROUND= NO SIGNAL
Tie these two bare wires to your ground plate, along with a line from the jack's ground post, & the switch's ground post.
I'd say post some pics, but it wouldn't help, there's just toooooo much going on in these setups.

Thank you so much, I am just heating up the gun as I type this. a quick question about the selector switch ground as I have already grounded the jack to the plate. 1. Can i ground the selector switch to the copper shielding tape i put inside its own cavity ? or do i have to run a wire all the way down through the guitar body to hit the ground I made in the potentiometer cavity ??

much appreciated, will let you know how it goes!

 

[925SS]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

You'll have to run a line to the common

 

[Artie]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

The bare wire from the pups is the ground For The Pups, NO GROUND= NO SIGNAL

This isn't quite correct. The bare wires from a 4-conductor pickup, and the "ground" from the selector have nothing to do with the signal. The guitar will work fine with them all disconnected. Those connections are there so you can ground the pickup covers, (if so equipped), the baseplates and the switch, to help reduce RF and ground noise.

Your body is mostly water, and works well as an antenna. If those wires aren't grounded, then you'll likely hear an increase in noise as your hands approach the controls and pickups. Also, the sleeve terminal of the output jack IS THE ONLY TRUE GROUND ON YOUR GUITAR. All ground connections must be soldered there. Don't try to use copper or foil shielding as a ground. The foil should attach to the output jack sleeve, (ground), connection along with all other grounds.

 

[T ROCKER]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

here is the guide I used , and it works quite well ......

http://www.newenglandluthiers.org/contents/Articles/Tips_Techniques_Tools/JPLP_wiring/Intro.html

you may be able to trace your steps and work out the bugs .....

 

[925SS]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

This isn't quite correct. The bare wires from a 4-conductor pickup, and the "ground" from the selector have nothing to do with the signal. The guitar will work fine with them all disconnected. Those connections are there so you can ground the pickup covers, (if so equipped), the baseplates and the switch, to help reduce RF and ground noise.

Your body is mostly water, and works well as an antenna. If those wires aren't grounded, then you'll likely hear an increase in noise as your hands approach the controls and pickups. Also, the sleeve terminal of the output jack IS THE ONLY TRUE GROUND ON YOUR GUITAR. All ground connections must be soldered there. Don't try to use copper or foil shielding as a ground. The foil should attach to the output jack sleeve, (ground), connection along with all other grounds.

Thanks Artie, glad the op got the correct info.
Learned something I didn't know as well.

 

[LesPaul1959]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Interesting, well I grounded the selector switch to the pot cavity plate that I made and also the pup grounds and it worked like a charm so I'm not sure what Artie means by the guitar working fine without them as it wasn't for me, maybe all i had to do was ground the selector switch. In any case it seems to be working fine right now with minimal noise. I have been comparing it with my Gibson from the factory and it pretty much does the same little things like the guitar going silent when i touch the strings but that is a totally normal thing and not a big deal in the slightest. I have some pictures for you guys to have a gander at, the only questions i have now would be 1. hows does teh copper shielding i put in the pickup cavity and selector switch cavity doing anything if there is no current going through them? do i have to run a line from the ground plate to the copper shielding in those cavities ? i fear the shielding is sitting there idle. 2. my selector switch (if switched slowly) from the middle position up or down will crackle, no problem if i do it fast, i am guessing i have just let some dirt in there and it has gunked up a bit so i will try hitting it with contact cleaner tomorrow and give it a final check. Here's some photo's of the project.

 

[LesPaul1959]

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[LesPaul1959]

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[hermetico]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

If your pots are laying on the shielding folder, those walls are now in the ground network, since your pots cases are already in the ground network (connected to the jack's sleeve).
If your pickup selector is grounded (jumper to a pot's case) and lays on the shielding folder, that cavity is also grounded.
So, don't worry. Everything it's ok. You don't need further jumpers.

Congratulations. Good job!.

I don't know if it's a visual effect in those pics but, it seemed to me as if some soldering spots look dimmed instead of shinny.
Always, redo a soldering spot that doesn't shines (cold soldering), since it can be a potential source of weird noise.

 

[LesPaul1959]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

If your pots are laying on the shielding folder, those walls are now in the ground network, since your pots cases are already in the ground network (connected to the jack's sleeve).
If your pickup selector is grounded (jumper to a pot's case) and lays on the shielding folder, that cavity is also grounded.
So, don't worry. Everything it's ok. You don't need further jumpers.

Congratulations. Good job!.

I don't know if it's a visual effect in those pics but, it seemed to me as if some soldering spots look dimmed instead of shinny.
Always, redo a soldering spot that doesn't shines (cold soldering), since it can be a potential source of weird noise.

Thanks man, I'm quite pleased with the results. As for the cold solders I'm pretty sure it must be a camera trick as I tinned and fluxed everything + used rosin core solder (flux core) and its all working great.

 

[hermetico]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Thanks man, I'm quite pleased with the results. As for the cold solders I'm pretty sure it must be a camera trick as I tinned and fluxed everything + used rosin core solder (flux core) and its all working great.

So nice, so good.
Double congratulations, then.

 

[Artie]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Interesting, well I grounded the selector switch to the pot cavity plate that I made and also the pup grounds and it worked like a charm so I'm not sure what Artie means by the guitar working fine without them as it wasn't for me, maybe all i had to do was ground the selector switch.

It probably means that you inadvertently fixed the real problem, while fixing something else. The important thing is, you got it all working.

Good job. :bigthumb:

 

[LesPaul1959]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Yeah, I've thoroughly tested it over the last week with all the 50 million tonal configurations and it's golden. Just got a few cosmetic parts coming from allparts.com and I will post a few pics of the guitars finished state

 

[925SS]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Great job, those JP wiring jobs are a real PITA, but you got it done, & working right,
Congrats on a job well done.

Now the real test starts, "Will you spend more time playing it, or playing with it?"

Enjoy!!

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Now the real test starts, "Will you spend more time playing it, or playing with it?"

I ask this question to myself daily, every time I get caught up in tech specs.

That guitar looks great, enjoy a nice guitar.

 

[Ktulu]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

Hello,
This is an old thread, but now it's my turn to be on trouble.
I did everything according to this one

but don't have enough output on the bridge. Like, I need to have the amp on 10, when I'm going with the neck on 2, for example.
Then just today I discovered this one

and started comparing them. They're NOT the same!
Why did the initial op succeed? And why are they different?
I have to mention though not all 4 pots are the same. The volumes are A500k & the tones are B500k.
I'm asking this now, before I start the rework. To know if I'm gonna modify something on the volume, or use the diagram I downloaded from SD.
Again, why are they different, especially when on the first one it says courtesy of SD?
Thanks!

 

[Chistopher]

Re: Need Help with my jimmy page wiring setup please!

You'll get better luck starting a new thread about your question, but to partially answer it, the A and the B on the pots refers to their taper. The reason the wirings are different is because their are multiple ways to skin a cat. Your volume issue is likely a bad solder joint, or possibly the two coils of the bridge pickup are out of phase with each other, but it's most likely a bad joint.