need recording tips: compressor

tone4days

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ok - so i want to learn about applying compression to a guitar track after it's been laid down ... so anyone please feel free to chime in with anything they care to share ... my immediate context is recording riffs for the contest, but also want to learn for general purposes of increasing the quality of my recordings ...i am using a software compressor built into sonar home studio 4.0 ...

the controls i can set are:
gain (-60 to 60)
attack (0.01 to 500)
release (50 to 3000)
threshold (-60 to 0)
ratio (1 to 100)
predelay (0 to 4)

- how do i know if i need compression?
- what, in tangible terms, will the track sound like before/after compression?
- how do i know how to set the compressor?

any help will be greatly appreciated

cheers
t4d
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

You use compression to smooth out the dynamics of the volume of a recording. I've found that most distorted guitar signals are pretty even already so don't really need any extra compression. I also prefer getting compression from the amp or effects.

If you're seeing and hearing lots of range in volume levels you can try experiementing wit some compression. Try some presets if there are any. Some sites I've looked at recommend starting a 3:1 ratio at a threshold of -10 dB with a fairly quick attack.
 
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Compression does not need to be applied to most distorted guitar tracks.
It can be if you know what you're doing and why you're doing it, but otherwise you will rather quickly do harm to your guitar track if you have no idea.
Honestly, I'd just save compression for bass guitars, drums and vox. It can work on guitars, but unlike the aforementioned, it's hardly necessary.
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

- how do i know if i need compression?
- what, in tangible terms, will the track sound like before/after compression

BEFORE - An uncompressed guitar part will vary between not quite loud enough to fulfil its role within an arrangement and being so loud that it momentarily drowns out other, more important, sounds.

AFTER - A compressed guitar part should ride nicely within a full band arrangement. It should not detract from the vocals and/or lead instruments.

EXAMPLE - The multi-tracked acoustic rhythm guitars on "Street Fighting Man" by the Rolling Stones. The strumming intensity varies but the apparent listening level does not. (Maybe, this is a bad example because Keef's guitars are also intentionally distorted through a piece of cassette machine circuitry.) My point is that the dynamic range heard on that rhythm guitar part is obviously not the same as the dynamic range of the original performance.
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

Pull out a song with a good variety of the standard instruments....drums, bass, guitar and preferably numerous vocal tracks and some keys. Using no effects get a decent mix. After you do this begin experimenting with compression on anything you like. It might not need it but that's not the point. The point is to listen to how different compression settings change how something sits in a mix for better or for worse. Spend a good few hours doing this and you'll soon learn what compression is all about.
 
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I always mix with compression on guitars, usually I set it up on a bus and send all the guitars to the same compressor. Some compressors are better suited to guitars than others so if you have a choice try different ones. The amount you apply is a personal decision but do a little research to find a good starting point. There are lots of articles on compressors, Sound on Sound and Mix magazine online are good places to start.
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

An explanation of the controls:

ok - so i want to learn about applying compression to a guitar track after it's been laid down ... so anyone please feel free to chime in with anything they care to share ... my immediate context is recording riffs for the contest, but also want to learn for general purposes of increasing the quality of my recordings ...i am using a software compressor built into sonar home studio 4.0 ...

the controls i can set are:
gain (-60 to 60) raises or lowers the level of the signal coming into the compressor.

attack (0.01 to 500) how fast the compressor starts working, in milliseconds. With a fast attack, the compressor will squash the initial pick much more. With a slow attack, the compressor will let some of your picking articulation come through before it compresses.

release (50 to 3000) how long the compressor keeps working, in milliseconds. On some compressors, this is known as "sustain", because that is a side effect of the release. With a slow release, the tails of your notes will be sustained longer by the compressor. A fast release lets the notes die off more naturally.

threshold (-60 to 0) level at which the compressor kicks in. Sound below the threshold "escapes" through the compressor unaffected. Sound above the threshold is compressed.

ratio (1 to 100) amount of compression applied. A ratio of 1 is no compression. Higher ratios mean less differences in the dynamics of the track.

predelay (0 to 4) no idea how this setting applies to a compressor ... it's usually a reverb parameter. On a reverb, this dictates how long to wait before the reverb noise begins.

I can also help you with:

- how do i know how to set the compressor?

Now that you know how the controls work, you should have a fairly decent idea of how you want the compressor to behave.

If you want pick attack to be softened, turn down the attack.

If you want pick attack to still be present, turn up the attack.

If you want notes to sustain longer, turn up the release.

If you want notes to die quickly, turn down the release.

If you want soft parts to stay soft, turn up the threshold.

If you want soft parts to be boosted, turn down the threshold.

If you want a bigger dynamic range, turn down the ratio.

If you want consistent dynamics, turn up the ratio.


In most compressors, these settings are interactive, and one will affect the other. The best way to learn about your particular compressor is to experiment by changing one parameter at a time and listening to the effect.

I also recommend checking if it has any presets. If there's a preset named "guitar", for example, have a look at it and see how they dialed it in.

In Logic, I usually grab a preset and tweak it if I feel so inclined.

Hope that helps.
 
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Re: need recording tips: compressor

Tube amps have a natural compression so I prefer not to compress my guitar or bass tracks. I've tried to compress drums to make up for a bad recording and it ended up even worse.....I usually stick to compression on vocals.
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

Hope that helps.

very much so
thanks to all

no - there are no presets (i was hoping for some) - i can save off my own settings as presets, but none out of the box

after the riff battle tourney two - i will post back with specific request for suggestions

cheers
t4d
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

I recall the free vanilla compressor having an easy idea for it's compressor. it started with the below presets, and basically you just adjust the threshold until it's not pumping (unless you want a pumping sound):

ratio of 2.5:1
soft knee settting
20 ms attack
200 ms release
RMS mode
no gain to start (only apply if needed, sparingly, if the whole thing gets pretty quiet)
no pre-delay
threshold: just under "pumping"
 
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Re: need recording tips: compressor

very much so
thanks to all

no - there are no presets (i was hoping for some) - i can save off my own settings as presets, but none out of the box

after the riff battle tourney two - i will post back with specific request for suggestions

cheers
t4d


More info about what style you play would help.
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

More info about what style you play would help.

oh, i'm all over the map really ... the band i am part of getting started now is gonna be bluesy classic rock covers ... as much as i dig a wide variety of styles, i guess i am really just a meat and potatoes bluesy rock kinda guy with a dash of funky bits here or a pinch of jazzy fusiony stuff there or a streak of 70s/80s progish things for good measure

just your average middle aged mutt guitarist

but this thread's immediate context is the riff-off ... not any extended serious recording i am involved in
 
Re: need recording tips: compressor

I don't think you would really need any compression if you are just recording for the riff-off.
 
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