New ambient post-rock tune
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Left_Hand_Strat
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Re: New ambient post-rock tune
sounds good, the timing seems a little odd to me??? or that could just be the drums? how did you do the drums?
sounds good, the timing seems a little odd to me??? or that could just be the drums? how did you do the drums?
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Funkfingers
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Well spotted, Bruce. The timing between the instruments is out.
The drumming is full of "human artefacts". It sounds to me as if the drummer is nervously following the clean guitar part rather than grabbing the song by the scruff of the neck and nailing things.
I would not be surprised if the recording is all one person learning how to multitrack himself. (Thirty years ago, it would have been me with my Tascam.)
Unless the track is supposed to support a vocal, I would shorten the intro/build up section. Have the melody figure that appears after a minute or so come in at bar 9.
The transition into the distortion section is clumsy. This is one area where emphatic drummer would have helped.
Some key changes or a variation on the chord changes would have helped.
Well spotted, Bruce. The timing between the instruments is out.
The drumming is full of "human artefacts". It sounds to me as if the drummer is nervously following the clean guitar part rather than grabbing the song by the scruff of the neck and nailing things.
I would not be surprised if the recording is all one person learning how to multitrack himself. (Thirty years ago, it would have been me with my Tascam.)
Unless the track is supposed to support a vocal, I would shorten the intro/build up section. Have the melody figure that appears after a minute or so come in at bar 9.
The transition into the distortion section is clumsy. This is one area where emphatic drummer would have helped.
Some key changes or a variation on the chord changes would have helped.
AmirH
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Re: New ambient post-rock tune
Lol -- well this definitely isn't my first multitrack recording, so I think I should explain why the timing is funky. The first guitar part and the part at the end weren't me -- I recorded a friend of mine playing those riffs years ago, but we never did anything with them because he didn't play to a click. So... I took the "strongest" parts of the performance and created a couple loops. Because the foundation of the song has timing mistakes, it was extremely difficult to get any drums to match up, and I had to forget about using the pre-programmed midi loops in superior drummer. So I tapped it in by hand on the keyboard (so the playing IS tentative) -- that alone was pretty difficult because quantizing the beat made it sound MORE off. I tried to do a 4 over 3, so it's also supposed to sound a little odd anyway. My idea was that if the same mistakes repeated enough times they would cease to be mistakes and be perceived as intentional. Guess it didn't work! haha
Funkyfingers -- I definitely agree that the distorted part needs work, and I feel like I can fix that section fairly easily. Do you think it's even worth it if I can't fix the beat/drums? Also, I can experiment with shortening the buildup section -- I understand what you mean about it being a bit repetitive, though it is supposed to be drone music, which is repetitive by definition
Thanks for the feedback!
Lol -- well this definitely isn't my first multitrack recording, so I think I should explain why the timing is funky. The first guitar part and the part at the end weren't me -- I recorded a friend of mine playing those riffs years ago, but we never did anything with them because he didn't play to a click. So... I took the "strongest" parts of the performance and created a couple loops. Because the foundation of the song has timing mistakes, it was extremely difficult to get any drums to match up, and I had to forget about using the pre-programmed midi loops in superior drummer. So I tapped it in by hand on the keyboard (so the playing IS tentative) -- that alone was pretty difficult because quantizing the beat made it sound MORE off. I tried to do a 4 over 3, so it's also supposed to sound a little odd anyway. My idea was that if the same mistakes repeated enough times they would cease to be mistakes and be perceived as intentional. Guess it didn't work! haha
Funkyfingers -- I definitely agree that the distorted part needs work, and I feel like I can fix that section fairly easily. Do you think it's even worth it if I can't fix the beat/drums? Also, I can experiment with shortening the buildup section -- I understand what you mean about it being a bit repetitive, though it is supposed to be drone music, which is repetitive by definition
Thanks for the feedback!
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Funkfingers
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Re: New ambient post-rock tune
If the original guitar idea recordings exist as discreet audio files, it should be possible to edit them into short phrases. It would then be possible to superimpose the snippets over loops, programmed or performed drum parts. This is exactly how Jeff Beck assembled a fair proportion of his albums "You Had It Coming" and "Jeff".
Hanging the guitar licks over a strong beat is always easier than trying to do things the other way around.
Hey, dude. You are talking to an old person. I listen to Brian Eno. I listen to Can. I listen to Czukay/Sylvian. I am familiar with long droney, improvised, in-the-moment stuff.
If the original guitar idea recordings exist as discreet audio files, it should be possible to edit them into short phrases. It would then be possible to superimpose the snippets over loops, programmed or performed drum parts. This is exactly how Jeff Beck assembled a fair proportion of his albums "You Had It Coming" and "Jeff".
Hanging the guitar licks over a strong beat is always easier than trying to do things the other way around.
Funkfingers -- I definitely agree that the distorted part needs work. I feel like I can fix that section fairly easily. Do you think it's even worth it if I can't fix the beat/drums? Also, I can experiment with shortening the buildup section -- I understand what you mean about it being a bit repetitive, though it is supposed to be drone music, which is repetitive by definition
Hey, dude. You are talking to an old person. I listen to Brian Eno. I listen to Can. I listen to Czukay/Sylvian. I am familiar with long droney, improvised, in-the-moment stuff.
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Funkfingers
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Re: New ambient post-rock tune
When KORG first introduced their Legacy software synthesizer package, they used to give away a free trial demo version. This had all of the editing functionality of the full program but no ability to save and a audio spoiler signal. The white noise bursts occurred at regular intervals. Knowing this, I would record bleeps, bloops and riffs short enough to fit between the spoiler noise. The resultant noises could be saved then pasted over a rhythmic loop of some description.
With practice, I got pretty good at this technique.
Most modern DAW recording software should have time manipulation editing capabilities. With patience, you can make the guitar phrases fit as exactly (or inexactly) as you desire. Just requires patience. It might be quicker to transcribe the guitar licks, relearn them and record them afresh.
When KORG first introduced their Legacy software synthesizer package, they used to give away a free trial demo version. This had all of the editing functionality of the full program but no ability to save and a audio spoiler signal. The white noise bursts occurred at regular intervals. Knowing this, I would record bleeps, bloops and riffs short enough to fit between the spoiler noise. The resultant noises could be saved then pasted over a rhythmic loop of some description.
With practice, I got pretty good at this technique.
Most modern DAW recording software should have time manipulation editing capabilities. With patience, you can make the guitar phrases fit as exactly (or inexactly) as you desire. Just requires patience. It might be quicker to transcribe the guitar licks, relearn them and record them afresh.
zenmindbeginner
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Re: New ambient post-rock tune
Love the ambient sound... Cocteau Twins meets My Bloody Valentine.
I love how it degenerated into the distorted stuff, then came back out into the open with the brushwork. The temp was loose, but I didn't have any problem with it.
Beautiful work.
Love the ambient sound... Cocteau Twins meets My Bloody Valentine.
I love how it degenerated into the distorted stuff, then came back out into the open with the brushwork. The temp was loose, but I didn't have any problem with it.
Beautiful work.
