New Boss Wazas....

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Waza = add a switch and a couple of components to a pedal and charge 3X as much. (Okay, maybe just the SD-1 version)

And use discreet components instead of smd, upgraded buffer...and of course the mystique of it being MIJ.

The SD-1 is quite the price difference for sure, but the mt-2w for example is ~40% more. And of course others are only available used for insane prices.
 
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SMD components can be discreet, you're confusing packaging with type. As far as I know the SD-1 never used SMD components, but it does use an opamp (the same as a Tube Screamer FWIW) so that throws out the discreet part. I'm not sure you can fit all the components (or even buy all the components in thru hole packages) for the DC, I really don't know much about it, but I'm pretty sure it is digital.

In most cases, it seems like they've taken the mods they saw being made to their products and built them in up front. And I'm sure they have used some better quality components in a few key areas, but hard to say without opening one up. Anybody got one they want to take some gut shots of?

Sorry, not belittling them, I was just kinda blown away when they first came out with the SD-1w for $150 when a "stock" SD-1 was $50 new, so I was always a little suspicious of them. So, a "stock" one with a mod kit would be about 1/2 the cost of a Waza, and which one would be better? The SD seems to be the most drastic price increase between versions, but the chorus is almost double, and the MT and BD are 1.5X.

Not sure what's up with the tuner though, why don't they just build the better buffer and TB switch into the stock TU, I don't care where it is made, it will work the same whether it is soldered in Japan or Taiwan.

I'm not coming down on Boss, I've used their products forever and just dropped a wad of cash on a GT-1000 this summer.
 
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All the new Boss “classic”’circuits have been revised with SMT. (SD-1, BD-2, DS-1 for sure)

Similar to how the CE-5 and BF-2 were digitized a decade ago.

I’ll bet you anything that if you open a new MT-2 made six months from now, it’ll be SMT. It only makes sense at the scale they are building and selling these at.
 
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SMT is just a different package of the same chips, the only downside is that modding them is harder, electrically they work the same.
 
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SMD components can be discreet, you're confusing packaging with type. As far as I know the SD-1 never used SMD components, but it does use an opamp (the same as a Tube Screamer FWIW) so that throws out the discreet part. I'm not sure you can fit all the components (or even buy all the components in thru hole packages) for the DC, I really don't know much about it, but I'm pretty sure it is digital.
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Yes sorry, I should have said through-hole vs surface mount. I can't confirm the Sd-1 hasn't gone surface mount yet, but I know many of their other dist /OD boxes are so it will be soon. The DC-2 is analog, the DC-3 went digital.

And I still agree the SD-1 price jump is pretty insane...but I don't get the Tuner either...

AFAIK, the Waza stuff is not MIJ, just "quality-controlled in Japan".

I've seen both 'inspected' and 'made' in japan stickers...more to the mystique!

SMT is just a different package of the same chips, the only downside is that modding them is harder, electrically they work the same.

Yes, but this is the guitar world we are talking about...
 
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I have a BS in EET, even though I've been doing mechanical design for 30 years. I don't buy into snakeoil, in a blind test you wouldn't be able to tell a circuit built with SMT components vs thru hole. Again, the downside is SMT is a pain to mod if you can at all.
 
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World Of Wazacraft.

I just looked and they're Wazafying a lot of their stomps... including tuner. :dunno:
 
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I have a BS in EET, even though I've been doing mechanical design for 30 years. I don't buy into snakeoil, in a blind test you wouldn't be able to tell a circuit built with SMT components vs thru hole. Again, the downside is SMT is a pain to mod if you can at all.

Yep.
 
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i just got my dc-2w. when i get home tonight i'll crack it open and all mysteries about surface mount & analog components will be revealed.
 
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Dude... come here and they let you listen to sound clips of the pedal that also allow you to somewhat fiddle with the controls.
 
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UPDATE: surface mount.

there looks to be a chip on the board with the switches, so i'm assuming it is digitally contolled but the signal is analog.
 
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no, but i can take some this weekend.

its pretty wild inside: the main board has components on the top & bottom, there's a smaller board for the control buttons, and there are even smaller boards for the input & output jacks.
 
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I assumed the DC would have to be SMT, just too much going on in there to fit that many thru hole components in the box, not to mention SMT stuff is populated and soldered by robots.

It's made in Japan, probably by the same robots that would have put it together if it were made in Taiwan.

I'm still a Boss fanboy, I've just been in product development long enough to know how it works and understand the costs involved. Yes, it probably costs Boss less than $30 to make the pedal (that may be high), but it still has to go through a lot of hands to get to you and everybody has to have a cut to stay in business.
 
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Here is a good clip to hear(p.i.) the old vs new metalzone. This doesn't really make me dislike the original. I like both and both modes, just different.
The Waza custom mode would certainly cut better in a mix or live band scenario.

 
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