Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
Us = me and my company. Check my sig. Of course, you already knew that, didn't you?
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New D'addario NYXL strings
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darthphineas
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
I know.
The cross promotion and request for market research just appear to blur the lines a bit...in my opinion.
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I know.
The cross promotion and request for market research just appear to blur the lines a bit...in my opinion.
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
I'm not sure what her official capacity was, but she seemed to be the main product rep for the stores in the LA/OC area.
I think I will!
I'm not sure what her official capacity was, but she seemed to be the main product rep for the stores in the LA/OC area.
I think I will!
darthphineas
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
as requested....
after reviewing this thread, I also see that any mention of the post being deleted is now gone. I mentioned it and DreX confirmed it in a post to follow.
depending on the capacity of how the forum is configured on the PHP format, I understand it is possible for admins to see deleted posts that are not visible to the general member. if that is the case, I'd be willing to discuss the content of the post that was first deleted. if memory serves, it was basically suggesting that I do not care to use D'Addario products. I remember this thread so vividly because a PM from a D'Addario rep appeared right about the time the post vanished.
as requested....
after reviewing this thread, I also see that any mention of the post being deleted is now gone. I mentioned it and DreX confirmed it in a post to follow.
depending on the capacity of how the forum is configured on the PHP format, I understand it is possible for admins to see deleted posts that are not visible to the general member. if that is the case, I'd be willing to discuss the content of the post that was first deleted. if memory serves, it was basically suggesting that I do not care to use D'Addario products. I remember this thread so vividly because a PM from a D'Addario rep appeared right about the time the post vanished.
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
Everyone has the right to their opinion. Though I don't share your opinion about D'Addario products, you have the right to express it here, as long as you're not slagging them.
Thank you for posting.
Everyone has the right to their opinion. Though I don't share your opinion about D'Addario products, you have the right to express it here, as long as you're not slagging them.
Thank you for posting.
XSSIVE
OCDologist
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
A cool bonus to these strings I found out today which helped me decide to try them...they'll eventually be sold as individual strings to make custom sets like other D'Addario strings but the cool part, they'll be available in odd number gauges 25, 35 and 45 (among others) for the wound strings which I've never seen any string company do before. I got so used to playing 10-46 in Eb and liking the feel that when I went back to 10-46 in E I was ok but did miss that little extra give the half step down tuning gave me. So of course me being as picky as can be I don't like 9-42 strings, way too thin, and even the 9.5-44 felt a bit too loose despite the tension being close on the wound strings. So I just ordered some custom sets of 9.5,12,16,25,35,45 NYXLs along with regular 10-46 NYXLs to do some comparing to my current favorite XL strings.
A cool bonus to these strings I found out today which helped me decide to try them...they'll eventually be sold as individual strings to make custom sets like other D'Addario strings but the cool part, they'll be available in odd number gauges 25, 35 and 45 (among others) for the wound strings which I've never seen any string company do before. I got so used to playing 10-46 in Eb and liking the feel that when I went back to 10-46 in E I was ok but did miss that little extra give the half step down tuning gave me. So of course me being as picky as can be I don't like 9-42 strings, way too thin, and even the 9.5-44 felt a bit too loose despite the tension being close on the wound strings. So I just ordered some custom sets of 9.5,12,16,25,35,45 NYXLs along with regular 10-46 NYXLs to do some comparing to my current favorite XL strings.
Rockstar216
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
They are currently are selling single strings with the NYXL formula? If so I wonder if they will make a balanced tension set with those.
They are currently are selling single strings with the NYXL formula? If so I wonder if they will make a balanced tension set with those.
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
I have used only D'Addario since my first string change. The 85/15 Bronze acoustic strings are everything I could have wanted (are they still in production, by the way? They're not listed on the website, but I've been able to buy them locally), and the XL Nickel 11s make my Les Paul come to life, in a way. They sound bold and authoritative, and balanced and clear, as well as sweet, at once, unplugged. I am very pleased with how my guitar and strings interact, and I probably will never use any other brand. I have the Balanced Tension set on, currently, and I've never been able to shred more smoothly. I'm looking forward to giving the NYXLs a chance. I need a set in which the plain strings have more character and bite, so as to balance out with the wound strings. Would they be able to pull that off? If not, could I have any recommendations?
I have used only D'Addario since my first string change. The 85/15 Bronze acoustic strings are everything I could have wanted (are they still in production, by the way? They're not listed on the website, but I've been able to buy them locally), and the XL Nickel 11s make my Les Paul come to life, in a way. They sound bold and authoritative, and balanced and clear, as well as sweet, at once, unplugged. I am very pleased with how my guitar and strings interact, and I probably will never use any other brand. I have the Balanced Tension set on, currently, and I've never been able to shred more smoothly. I'm looking forward to giving the NYXLs a chance. I need a set in which the plain strings have more character and bite, so as to balance out with the wound strings. Would they be able to pull that off? If not, could I have any recommendations?
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
The NYXLs don't really have a different feel or tone--though they do have a slight midrange bump. The big difference is that they're stronger than any other string. So they come up to pitch and reach stability faster and with less stretching. And they stay in tune longer. And they just don't break. But if you like XLs, you'll like NYXLs.
The NYXLs don't really have a different feel or tone--though they do have a slight midrange bump. The big difference is that they're stronger than any other string. So they come up to pitch and reach stability faster and with less stretching. And they stay in tune longer. And they just don't break. But if you like XLs, you'll like NYXLs.
Ayrton
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
Evan, based on that description, I have to ask why would D'Addario continue to offer the old strings? I am not doubting what you are saying (in fact I am going to go buy a set today just to compare), just that if they feel and sound the same, why not just say "new and improved" strings?
Or did I miss something?
Evan, based on that description, I have to ask why would D'Addario continue to offer the old strings? I am not doubting what you are saying (in fact I am going to go buy a set today just to compare), just that if they feel and sound the same, why not just say "new and improved" strings?
Or did I miss something?
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
So you don't have to pay $12 a string pack for the rest of your life. Same reason Gibson still sells the swiss cheese weight relief and solid bodies when they have chambered, the new thing might not be everyone's bag man.
Evan, based on that description, I have to ask why would D'Addario continue to offer the old strings? I am not doubting what you are saying (in fact I am going to go buy a set today just to compare), just that if they feel and sound the same, why not just say "new and improved" strings?
Or did I miss something?
So you don't have to pay $12 a string pack for the rest of your life. Same reason Gibson still sells the swiss cheese weight relief and solid bodies when they have chambered, the new thing might not be everyone's bag man.
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
By the way, this video was not shot in the D'Addario string winding factory. It was shot across the street in their wire mill. That guy Bart in the video, he's a genius. He's given me two wire mill tours so far and most of it goes over my head. But each time I retain a bit more.
The other thing that's unique about NYXL is that they fuse the twist. Most string breaks occur at the twist near ball end. Fusing it eliminate breaks.
The thing is, by using pre-selected wire, drawing it down farther, and fusing the twist, you end up with much higher "cost of goods sold," both in terms of materials and labor. So to answer your question, the reason they keep both in the line is that NYXL is a premium string with a much higher cost and price than XL. Some people might not want the advantages of NYXL or might not want to pay for it. For them, there's XL or any of their other lines.
Here's a video that graphically shows the strength of NYXL.
I hope that answers your question.
Good question. And I don't speak for the D'Addario company, but I have been privy to their wire milling process, so I'll hazard a guess. NYXLs use a totally different production process that starts with pre-selecting high-carbon steel wire for the highest tensile strength. Because of this, they can draw down the wire to smaller diameters. This progressive drawing process strengthens the wire, but up to a point it can lose flexibility. Kind of like cooked pasta vs. dry pasta. So by starting with the pre-selected high tensile strength wire, they can draw it down farther and create a stronger-yet-flexible string. Here's some more on the progressive drawing process.Evan, based on that description, I have to ask why would D'Addario continue to offer the old strings? I am not doubting what you are saying (in fact I am going to go buy a set today just to compare), just that if they feel and sound the same, why not just say "new and improved" strings?
Or did I miss something?
By the way, this video was not shot in the D'Addario string winding factory. It was shot across the street in their wire mill. That guy Bart in the video, he's a genius. He's given me two wire mill tours so far and most of it goes over my head. But each time I retain a bit more.
The other thing that's unique about NYXL is that they fuse the twist. Most string breaks occur at the twist near ball end. Fusing it eliminate breaks.
The thing is, by using pre-selected wire, drawing it down farther, and fusing the twist, you end up with much higher "cost of goods sold," both in terms of materials and labor. So to answer your question, the reason they keep both in the line is that NYXL is a premium string with a much higher cost and price than XL. Some people might not want the advantages of NYXL or might not want to pay for it. For them, there's XL or any of their other lines.
Here's a video that graphically shows the strength of NYXL.
I hope that answers your question.
darthphineas
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
guess it's working out that I necro-bumped the thread
guess it's working out that I necro-bumped the thread
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
LOL. Thank you.
LOL. Thank you.
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
Do you remember the last time you changed strings? How many times did you stretch the strings before they stabilized at pitch? With NYXL, it's one time. Do you remember the last time your guitar went out of tune? NYXL stay in tune longer.
But you bring up a good point. These strings aren't for everyone. D'Addario's campaign is called "Play Fearlessly" and it's aimed at players who often play aggressive styles particularly on stage where breaking a string is bigger deal. That scenario certainly doesn't apply to all players. Not me, certainly. I rarely break strings too. But I like NYXL because they stay in tune longer and come to pitch stability faster.
Do you remember the last time you changed strings? How many times did you stretch the strings before they stabilized at pitch? With NYXL, it's one time. Do you remember the last time your guitar went out of tune? NYXL stay in tune longer.
But you bring up a good point. These strings aren't for everyone. D'Addario's campaign is called "Play Fearlessly" and it's aimed at players who often play aggressive styles particularly on stage where breaking a string is bigger deal. That scenario certainly doesn't apply to all players. Not me, certainly. I rarely break strings too. But I like NYXL because they stay in tune longer and come to pitch stability faster.
Ayrton
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Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
I just don't get the marketing.
I understand it is a stronger, better string, but how do you market the old strings? This is out cheaper, crappier string?
You know I love D'Addario, but they are going to have to come stronger than "last longer, and tune up faster" for me to spend over twice the money for strings.
I just don't get the marketing.
I understand it is a stronger, better string, but how do you market the old strings? This is out cheaper, crappier string?
You know I love D'Addario, but they are going to have to come stronger than "last longer, and tune up faster" for me to spend over twice the money for strings.
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
Again, I don't speak for D'Addario, but if I ran marketing for them, the message would be, "D'Addario XLs. The strings you grew up with. The strings that gave you your tone. And you can get them for about the same price as when you first started playing." Or something like that.
Hopefully, I'm not way off on the price...
Again, I don't speak for D'Addario, but if I ran marketing for them, the message would be, "D'Addario XLs. The strings you grew up with. The strings that gave you your tone. And you can get them for about the same price as when you first started playing." Or something like that.
Hopefully, I'm not way off on the price...
XSSIVE
OCDologist
Re: New D'addario NYXL strings
These are the first new strings since their coated line D'Addario has put out in ages as far as I can remember. Ernie Ball however has been cranking out random gimmick stuff left and right, cobalt, m-steel, titanium, reinforced, unobtanium, fruity pebble flavor, bacon scented (ok those last three are fake but you get the idea). I don't pay much attention to their strings so some of them may be older but you get the point, lots of "next best thing" options over there. I give D'Addario loads of credit for not just pumping out random crap marketing gimmick type strings yet really fine tuning what they already knew how to make, a killer nickel wound string. No need to soak them in unicorn tears or use an obscure metal, just the highest quality of what's been proven to work for decades and refine the process while increasing the quality of the raw materials. At the start of this thread I was skeptical for sure and the price was hard to swallow. I still can't say I'm a fan of the price having been spoiled by the great low price of standard XL strings for decades but now that I have my custom 9.5-45 gauge NYXLs on my #1 guitar and have played it for a bit over an hour I'll be sticking with NYXL strings and they'll be the standard string that every D'Avanzo brand guitar ships with when ordered new from here on out. I was already using D'Addario XLs as my standard, so why not step things up.
Now what am I going to do with all my regular XL strings? That's the real question haha.
My brief(ish) review of them... the custom gauge made a huge difference getting my guitars tuned to E (9.5-45) to feel like my guitars tuned to Eb (10-46) and since the NYXL strings are the only ones to come in odd 35,45 gauges I couldn't have done it with other strings, so that alone got me interested in trying them. The sound, honestly I don't notice a huge difference from regular XLs at all and IMO that's a good thing. The increased tuning stability, that's 100% true. I put them on one of my Floyded guitars, stretched them real good once, tuned them to pitch, locked the nut and dove the bar a bunch of times, did some big bends all over and checked the tuning and only the D string was a tiny hair out on my peterson strobe tuner. On my polytune it was so close to in tune the tuner wouldn't have even noticed it was a hair out since it's not as accurate as the peterson. I was amazed the dreaded G string was in tune, that usually takes a few extra stretches to get settled in for some Floyd abuse or big bends of any sort really. So the tuning stability, custom odd number gauge in my case and fact that I personally don't hear any giant difference in tone has me sold. I can't say much about string breakage since I haven't broken a string in what must be a decade at this point so that's never a worry for me. The way I look at it they took a great thing and made in better without messing with what they already do so well with the XL strings, just refined everything. These are sort of the AMG version of a Mercedes, take a good thing and make it better and yeah it costs more due to it.
These are the first new strings since their coated line D'Addario has put out in ages as far as I can remember. Ernie Ball however has been cranking out random gimmick stuff left and right, cobalt, m-steel, titanium, reinforced, unobtanium, fruity pebble flavor, bacon scented (ok those last three are fake but you get the idea). I don't pay much attention to their strings so some of them may be older but you get the point, lots of "next best thing" options over there. I give D'Addario loads of credit for not just pumping out random crap marketing gimmick type strings yet really fine tuning what they already knew how to make, a killer nickel wound string. No need to soak them in unicorn tears or use an obscure metal, just the highest quality of what's been proven to work for decades and refine the process while increasing the quality of the raw materials. At the start of this thread I was skeptical for sure and the price was hard to swallow. I still can't say I'm a fan of the price having been spoiled by the great low price of standard XL strings for decades but now that I have my custom 9.5-45 gauge NYXLs on my #1 guitar and have played it for a bit over an hour I'll be sticking with NYXL strings and they'll be the standard string that every D'Avanzo brand guitar ships with when ordered new from here on out. I was already using D'Addario XLs as my standard, so why not step things up.
Now what am I going to do with all my regular XL strings? That's the real question haha.
My brief(ish) review of them... the custom gauge made a huge difference getting my guitars tuned to E (9.5-45) to feel like my guitars tuned to Eb (10-46) and since the NYXL strings are the only ones to come in odd 35,45 gauges I couldn't have done it with other strings, so that alone got me interested in trying them. The sound, honestly I don't notice a huge difference from regular XLs at all and IMO that's a good thing. The increased tuning stability, that's 100% true. I put them on one of my Floyded guitars, stretched them real good once, tuned them to pitch, locked the nut and dove the bar a bunch of times, did some big bends all over and checked the tuning and only the D string was a tiny hair out on my peterson strobe tuner. On my polytune it was so close to in tune the tuner wouldn't have even noticed it was a hair out since it's not as accurate as the peterson. I was amazed the dreaded G string was in tune, that usually takes a few extra stretches to get settled in for some Floyd abuse or big bends of any sort really. So the tuning stability, custom odd number gauge in my case and fact that I personally don't hear any giant difference in tone has me sold. I can't say much about string breakage since I haven't broken a string in what must be a decade at this point so that's never a worry for me. The way I look at it they took a great thing and made in better without messing with what they already do so well with the XL strings, just refined everything. These are sort of the AMG version of a Mercedes, take a good thing and make it better and yeah it costs more due to it.
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