Mikelamury
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Looks like the new fender pickup sets are in stores. Pretty cool promotional video They did explaining the pickups.
https://youtu.be/F7kXqkWjEY8
https://youtu.be/F7kXqkWjEY8
New fender pickups hit the market
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Good video. Thanks for the post.
Got to say those cunif strats sounds really cool on cleans but I'm not clear if they really can crunch. I've never liked the look of a metal housing around a strat pup but supposedly they are killing noise!
Definitely like the full range but there's no surprise there. The mix of of chrome and cunif on the jazzmaster was definitely interesting.
But I don't know why demos are always wash in verb. Going to have to chase some of these down when they come to town and check them out.
Got to say those cunif strats sounds really cool on cleans but I'm not clear if they really can crunch. I've never liked the look of a metal housing around a strat pup but supposedly they are killing noise!
Definitely like the full range but there's no surprise there. The mix of of chrome and cunif on the jazzmaster was definitely interesting.
But I don't know why demos are always wash in verb. Going to have to chase some of these down when they come to town and check them out.
Rex_Rocker
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I'd love to try a high-output Cunife humbucker!
Anyone know if Cunife is more magnetic than Alnico? Less? The same?
Anyone know if Cunife is more magnetic than Alnico? Less? The same?
beaubrummels
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It says in the video that CuNiFe is weaker than Alnico and Ceramic, which is why Wide Range humbuckers were so big; Seth had to put so much more wire on the bobbin to get some output from it. It also used to be really volatile, like my understanding is many of the original 1970's Wide Range humbuckers lost their magnetism in the poles, which is why they stopped making them. I believe those problems were solved with this run.
Rex_Rocker
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Oh, sorry, should've watched the vid, LOL.
Not sure I'd dig them, then.
Or maybe an active Cunife hummie, LOL.
Mikelamury
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I'm thinking about getting a set of the jazzmaster pickups with the different magnets in the neck and bridge to go in my jazzcaster.
freefrog
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The question of magnetism is not much meaningful in this case : even if CuNiFe is magnetically weaker than other materials, rod magnets typically exhibit a stronger surface magnetism than any steel pole conveying the magnetism of a bar mag under the coils.
What rod magnets change, that said, is the measured inductance: a same coil hosting magnetic rods is less inductive than if it hosts steel poles, especially if these steel poles go through a keeper bar (reason: the more iron there is, the higher is the measured inductance).
Rod mags also imply a higher Q factor.
Anyway: I've a CuNiFe in neck position of a "Magnificent Seven" ltd ed Fender Telecaster.
It measures 10.34k and 4.8H of inductance, not far from a P.A.F. clone measuring 8k to 8.5k.
IOW, the added wire seems to be there to boost the inductance, itself translated by a stronger output level, regardless of the magnetic strenght involved (which doesn't mean that magnetism is indifferent, of course: I'm just saying that more wire appears as a way to compensate the missing inductance in this case, rather than a remedy to some magnetic weakness which is factually not a real problem in itself).
FWIW: two geeky cents, just for the pleasure to share.
EDIT - I've modified my CuNiFe to make it splittable. In single coil mode, it measures 5.25k and an inductance of 2.1H, just like a Strat PU.
It doesn't sound strong in single coil mode but it's a really musical transducer to my ears... No regrets!
The only downside is that I had to pull off and put back the CuNiFe screw poles upside down: the pickup was OOP with the stock Tele bridge PU and/or the split mode was not involving the right coil otherwise.
What rod magnets change, that said, is the measured inductance: a same coil hosting magnetic rods is less inductive than if it hosts steel poles, especially if these steel poles go through a keeper bar (reason: the more iron there is, the higher is the measured inductance).
Rod mags also imply a higher Q factor.
Anyway: I've a CuNiFe in neck position of a "Magnificent Seven" ltd ed Fender Telecaster.
It measures 10.34k and 4.8H of inductance, not far from a P.A.F. clone measuring 8k to 8.5k.
IOW, the added wire seems to be there to boost the inductance, itself translated by a stronger output level, regardless of the magnetic strenght involved (which doesn't mean that magnetism is indifferent, of course: I'm just saying that more wire appears as a way to compensate the missing inductance in this case, rather than a remedy to some magnetic weakness which is factually not a real problem in itself).
FWIW: two geeky cents, just for the pleasure to share.
EDIT - I've modified my CuNiFe to make it splittable. In single coil mode, it measures 5.25k and an inductance of 2.1H, just like a Strat PU.
It doesn't sound strong in single coil mode but it's a really musical transducer to my ears... No regrets!
The only downside is that I had to pull off and put back the CuNiFe screw poles upside down: the pickup was OOP with the stock Tele bridge PU and/or the split mode was not involving the right coil otherwise.
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Found an excellent article about Seth's design. https://lawingmusicalproducts.com/d...-range-humbucker-and-the-genius-of-seth-lover
freefrog
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Thx for sharing!
I had seen this article but forgotten it... as I had totally forgotten the presence of a steel plate in this design.
My inductance measurements match the 4.86H value mentioned by Scott Lawing for the whole PU (in the last line of fig.3).
But I wonder why he has put magnetic poles in a "Strat test coil" instead of splitting the Wide Range for his last screenshots.
Anyway, I'll repeat that splitting a Wide Range gives a really nice result, IME and IMHO (with an inductance reminding a CS69 and a tone not too far from it).
I had seen this article but forgotten it... as I had totally forgotten the presence of a steel plate in this design.
My inductance measurements match the 4.86H value mentioned by Scott Lawing for the whole PU (in the last line of fig.3).
But I wonder why he has put magnetic poles in a "Strat test coil" instead of splitting the Wide Range for his last screenshots.
Anyway, I'll repeat that splitting a Wide Range gives a really nice result, IME and IMHO (with an inductance reminding a CS69 and a tone not too far from it).
Freefrog, it's quite the honor to post anything that's useful for you!
Yeah, I'm just starting to realize that this is going to create a whole bunch of GAS.
A sparkly pup that crunches with a tight bass... Who wouldn't want that?. Those jazzmaster demos make me want to grab a Warmoth jazz and throw a couple of wide ranges in there.
Of course I have absolutely no need for additional projects but the fact that they split well means I love the idea even more..
Yeah I thought it was funny to test in a strat bobbin because they're not the same size, right? But then again he's done a lot more testing than I have, so absolutely no complaints!
Now I will go away and pretend like I don't want more stuff
Yeah, I'm just starting to realize that this is going to create a whole bunch of GAS.
A sparkly pup that crunches with a tight bass... Who wouldn't want that?. Those jazzmaster demos make me want to grab a Warmoth jazz and throw a couple of wide ranges in there.
Of course I have absolutely no need for additional projects but the fact that they split well means I love the idea even more..
Yeah I thought it was funny to test in a strat bobbin because they're not the same size, right? But then again he's done a lot more testing than I have, so absolutely no complaints!
Now I will go away and pretend like I don't want more stuff
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