Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
It's flipped upside down and has a wood cab...
It's flipped upside down and has a wood cab...
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New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
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El Dunco
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Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
I was waiting for someone to point this out. I knew I had heard that name before and thought perhaps the models weren't so new.
Do manufacturers bother checking google to see if their names are original?
I was waiting for someone to point this out. I knew I had heard that name before and thought perhaps the models weren't so new.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
I'll be the guy that asks the stupid questions:
Can the RockMaster do convincing Doom/Black/Satanic/Gore/Sludge/grind/crab/murder/thrash/speed/math/meth/death/kill/rap/gnu/stoner/boner/loner/swing/80s Big Hair and spandex Metal?
Can the MetalMaster get a good Blues/Classic Rock/Surf/Country/Jazz/J-Pop/Yardbirds/Early Americana tone?
I'll be the guy that asks the stupid questions:
Can the RockMaster do convincing Doom/Black/Satanic/Gore/Sludge/grind/crab/murder/thrash/speed/math/meth/death/kill/rap/gnu/stoner/boner/loner/swing/80s Big Hair and spandex Metal?
Can the MetalMaster get a good Blues/Classic Rock/Surf/Country/Jazz/J-Pop/Yardbirds/Early Americana tone?
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
Peavey's Rock Master logo separates two common words by a line break, and is not a single, unique, made-up and trademarked-as-a-logo word or proper name, like Fluster Clucker or Winkynoodle or Jameson, which means anyone can name their amp "Rock Master".
For that matter, Peavey could put out a Fire Ball amp, or a Governor, or a Princeton, a Tweed, a Jubilee, a Legacy, a Single/Dual/Triple Rectifier, or a Colosseum.
Peavey's Rock Master logo separates two common words by a line break, and is not a single, unique, made-up and trademarked-as-a-logo word or proper name, like Fluster Clucker or Winkynoodle or Jameson, which means anyone can name their amp "Rock Master".
For that matter, Peavey could put out a Fire Ball amp, or a Governor, or a Princeton, a Tweed, a Jubilee, a Legacy, a Single/Dual/Triple Rectifier, or a Colosseum.
Edgecrusher
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Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
One of the big things about trademarks and copyrights is one they have to be in relevant geographical areas. I highly doubt peavey in the 80s trademarked Rock master world wide.
Another biggy is that you have to be willing to defend it. If you dont defend it the courts will call it abandoned. I highly doubt digitech and peavey want to blow the cash on lawyers to fight over 30 year old names. (this is why you hear of dimarzio sending anyone in the US who winds pickups cease and desists orders when they make double cream 12 pole piece humbuckers, incidentally they dont touch anyone outside the US cause their trademark doesnt apply)
Lastly being Engl is a German company and Europe has much more favorable rules regarding the expiration of trademarks and copyrights they might not be existent at all anyways in EU.
One of the big things about trademarks and copyrights is one they have to be in relevant geographical areas. I highly doubt peavey in the 80s trademarked Rock master world wide.
Another biggy is that you have to be willing to defend it. If you dont defend it the courts will call it abandoned. I highly doubt digitech and peavey want to blow the cash on lawyers to fight over 30 year old names. (this is why you hear of dimarzio sending anyone in the US who winds pickups cease and desists orders when they make double cream 12 pole piece humbuckers, incidentally they dont touch anyone outside the US cause their trademark doesnt apply)
Lastly being Engl is a German company and Europe has much more favorable rules regarding the expiration of trademarks and copyrights they might not be existent at all anyways in EU.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
BTW I demoed the Rockmaster a few weeks ago and its a nasty little bugger. It has tons more gain than the name implies and is very aggressively voiced. Its a cool sounding little amp.
BTW I demoed the Rockmaster a few weeks ago and its a nasty little bugger. It has tons more gain than the name implies and is very aggressively voiced. Its a cool sounding little amp.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
Given that 5150 is a police code, like 10-4, or 187, or 211, they could. However, they might have to do it as it's written in the police manual i.e. 51-50, or even 50/150 if they wanted to get creative. It would read phonetically as "fifty one-fifty" or "fifty-one fifty", depending on where you place the emphasis.
DiMarzio sends out C&Ds but they cannot dictate what colors and formats can be used, as colors and formats are not proprietary. I'm sure they'd put up a good argument about the color scheme and format being associated with DiMarzio pickups, but if one were to put a double-cream SuperD and a double-cream JB 10 feet away on a table next to each other, the average person off the street would not be able to tell the difference. If they were informed beforehand that DiMarzio is known for making double-cream 12 pole pickups, then they would invariably say "hey look, a pair of DiMarzio double-cream humbuckers". DiMarzio, however, would argue that a "lesser brand" is being associated with their color scheme, and those who see a double-cream pickup would assume it was a DiMarzio. When it didn't sound like their friend's or hero's DiMarzio, they denounce it as junk and tarnish the name of a company that's respected the world over and they'd go out of business overnight.
It's not protection of brand identity, as DiMarzio would say; it's an outright infringement on the right of free enterprise and a violation of the statutes governing competition in business.
Given that 5150 is a police code, like 10-4, or 187, or 211, they could. However, they might have to do it as it's written in the police manual i.e. 51-50, or even 50/150 if they wanted to get creative. It would read phonetically as "fifty one-fifty" or "fifty-one fifty", depending on where you place the emphasis.
DiMarzio sends out C&Ds but they cannot dictate what colors and formats can be used, as colors and formats are not proprietary. I'm sure they'd put up a good argument about the color scheme and format being associated with DiMarzio pickups, but if one were to put a double-cream SuperD and a double-cream JB 10 feet away on a table next to each other, the average person off the street would not be able to tell the difference. If they were informed beforehand that DiMarzio is known for making double-cream 12 pole pickups, then they would invariably say "hey look, a pair of DiMarzio double-cream humbuckers". DiMarzio, however, would argue that a "lesser brand" is being associated with their color scheme, and those who see a double-cream pickup would assume it was a DiMarzio. When it didn't sound like their friend's or hero's DiMarzio, they denounce it as junk and tarnish the name of a company that's respected the world over and they'd go out of business overnight.
It's not protection of brand identity, as DiMarzio would say; it's an outright infringement on the right of free enterprise and a violation of the statutes governing competition in business.
Van Noord
New member
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
See, except Hartley had to relinquish the 5150 name because Eddie owned it. Brand trademark infringement is based on item association.
Yes 5150 is an actual thing/term. But Eddie owns it when associated to amplifiers and now other gear.
You or I can make anything and call it 5150...cheese, power tools, gum, etc.
But not an amplifier or anything else that enters any semblance or resemblance of EVHs other offered product or brand image.
Which is why the amps name had to be changed...1965, the year of Peaveys inception, and 2005 the year the amp was renamed...6505.
See, except Hartley had to relinquish the 5150 name because Eddie owned it. Brand trademark infringement is based on item association.
Yes 5150 is an actual thing/term. But Eddie owns it when associated to amplifiers and now other gear.
You or I can make anything and call it 5150...cheese, power tools, gum, etc.
But not an amplifier or anything else that enters any semblance or resemblance of EVHs other offered product or brand image.
Which is why the amps name had to be changed...1965, the year of Peaveys inception, and 2005 the year the amp was renamed...6505.
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Edgecrusher
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Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
Do you just make this stuff up? No really I'm serious. Dimarzio really does have a trademark on double cream humbuckers its been awarded. They really do hold that right.
I want to see you try to open a shipping company and paint your delivery trucks brown... See what happens. Try builiding tractors that are green and yellow or bulldozers that are all yellow.
Color trademark protection is very real.
Hell do you know that Ferrari had to change the name of their 150th anniversary formula 1 car? Ferrari decided to call this car, one particular race car not a production car mind you the "F150" and Ford had a snit and had them in court.
Ferrari agreed to only refer to the car as the "F150th Italia" and Ford dropped the lawsuit. But apparently Fords case was strong enough Ferrari didnt want to fight it out in court.
Do you really think consumers would be confused by the name on a formula 1 car? Because this is what Fords argument relies on. And we are talking just a simple sequence of letters and numbers. If you have a trademark you better be ready to defend it.
Do you just make this stuff up? No really I'm serious. Dimarzio really does have a trademark on double cream humbuckers its been awarded. They really do hold that right.
I want to see you try to open a shipping company and paint your delivery trucks brown... See what happens. Try builiding tractors that are green and yellow or bulldozers that are all yellow.
Color trademark protection is very real.
Hell do you know that Ferrari had to change the name of their 150th anniversary formula 1 car? Ferrari decided to call this car, one particular race car not a production car mind you the "F150" and Ford had a snit and had them in court.
Ferrari agreed to only refer to the car as the "F150th Italia" and Ford dropped the lawsuit. But apparently Fords case was strong enough Ferrari didnt want to fight it out in court.
Do you really think consumers would be confused by the name on a formula 1 car? Because this is what Fords argument relies on. And we are talking just a simple sequence of letters and numbers. If you have a trademark you better be ready to defend it.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
Hell Ed has a trademark on the red white and black stripe paint scheme. It applies to tons of products since its so distinctive.
Hell Ed has a trademark on the red white and black stripe paint scheme. It applies to tons of products since its so distinctive.
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
How does it compare to the gigmaster combo?
How does it compare to the gigmaster combo?
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: New from ENGL Amps - RockMaster and MetalMaster
Then the legal system is even more screwed up than I was aware of. Time for Madame Guillotine to stage a comeback.
Then the legal system is even more screwed up than I was aware of. Time for Madame Guillotine to stage a comeback.
