jon the art guy
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
Good god those pants.
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New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
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Rockstar216
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
Is that a dragon on his pants or was he happy to see you taking a picture?
Is that a dragon on his pants or was he happy to see you taking a picture?
Bludave
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
I finally got my new Ibanez S570! And gues what color it is? :laugh2:
Looks like this one -
So anyway, I have finally got used to playing with a slightly lighter hand and palm placement on the bridge. I had to find the right spot and way to do it. I guess I was a bit heavy handed with my other guitars!
I also really like the tuning, or at least once I got the strings stretched out. Until then, it really sucked. :eek13: But after that, I have loved not having to tune. It is just how I leave it every time!!!
What i wanted to know is how exactly do you learn to use that thing??? :9:
Are there any tips, hints, or suggestions that you whammy players can suggest to really help me get up to speed on using this thing?
If this isn't the right room, I can repost in another.
Your guidance will be greatly appreciated!
L
Little Pigbacon
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
Yeah. It's fine to copy your heroes while you're learning, but you'll also find that mistakes and simple experimentation can lead to moves that are more quintessentially "you".
Yeah. It's fine to copy your heroes while you're learning, but you'll also find that mistakes and simple experimentation can lead to moves that are more quintessentially "you".
jon the art guy
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dystrust
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
He endorsed Yamaha AES's for a while, but his main guitar is this weird hollowbody thing with a Floyd. He used a whammy quite a bit with Megadeth and you can hear it on Return to Metalopolis as well.
He endorsed Yamaha AES's for a while, but his main guitar is this weird hollowbody thing with a Floyd. He used a whammy quite a bit with Megadeth and you can hear it on Return to Metalopolis as well.
longcat
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
just 'cause nobody's wanking you doesn't mean women don't wank.
FTR, she's not the only woman around here.
just 'cause nobody's wanking you doesn't mean women don't wank.
FTR, she's not the only woman around here.
jon the art guy
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
I thought some of that was attributed to his wonk finger...
Well, makes sense though. A little bit of both.
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I thought some of that was attributed to his wonk finger...
Well, makes sense though. A little bit of both.
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Ashurbanipal
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
One of my favourite pieces using the bar.
One of my favourite pieces using the bar.
Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
Make me blush?! Nah.
There are so many things I could say here.
None of them will help me play the trem any better, but they might make you all blush! :laughing:
Make me blush?! Nah.
ExplorersRock
X-Files Duckbucker
GuitarStv
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
It's just like any other part of guitar work. Keep doing it while you practice until it stops sucking. Try playing scales and using the whammy bar to bend notes to pitch . . . so like, where you see '/' do a whammy bend:
(Learning to mute the strings when you hit the pitch you want is pretty useful . . . hearing every note with the bar go up and then down gets old fast).
Then try throwing some whammy action in with simple pentatonic licks:
It gets cooler when you work it into arpeggios:
Once you get good at targeting notes with the bar you'll find that it just starts to find it's way into your lead playing.
It's just like any other part of guitar work. Keep doing it while you practice until it stops sucking. Try playing scales and using the whammy bar to bend notes to pitch . . . so like, where you see '/' do a whammy bend:
Code:
Am Pentatonic
--8/5-------------------------------------------
--------8/5-------------------------------------
--------------7/5--------------------------------
--------------------7/5--------------------------
--------------------------7/5--------------------
--------------------------------8/5--------------
. . . etc.(Learning to mute the strings when you hit the pitch you want is pretty useful . . . hearing every note with the bar go up and then down gets old fast).
Then try throwing some whammy action in with simple pentatonic licks:
Code:
Am Pentatonic
------9p7------9p7--7/5-------7p5------7p5--5/3------------
-9p7------9p7-------7/5--7p5------7p5-------5/3------------
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------It gets cooler when you work it into arpeggios:
Code:
Amaj7
------------------------------------------16/12~~~--
--------------------------------------14---------------
---------------------------14/13/14------------------
------------7/6/7s12-14-----------------------------
----------7--------------------------------------------
-5/4\5-8---------------------------------------------Once you get good at targeting notes with the bar you'll find that it just starts to find it's way into your lead playing.
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
Hi,
I learned as well as most humans to play "where were you", but Mr. Beck did not make it easy. I won't tell you how long it took. But in so doing my arm, wrist, fingers really got a feel for where to put the bar before I actually hit the note. For example I can tell where to put the bar so when I hit the note D in the key of E the D is there so when I hit it it smoothes right to the E as I let the arm back up slowly. Also, I normally don't use my eyes much but on the whammy it helps me a little.
I also practice by hitting the note A and going down slowly to the note G on the D string, or the same notes on the B string. At first it seemed impossible but my life long obsession with Jeff Beck when I was a kid, I am 61 today, made me NEED to learn all those things I could never do without a vibrato arm. I call it taget shooting. Yes to everthing everbody said by the way. It is hard to believe, but i can do that intro pretty good on Where were you because I HAD TO!!! I love J. Beck too much.
You Can Do It, just take your time and practice hitting different inervals Till it becomes second nature. Took me 2-3 years to get comfortable enough to use it in front of other good guitarists.
Steve Buffington
Hi,
I learned as well as most humans to play "where were you", but Mr. Beck did not make it easy. I won't tell you how long it took. But in so doing my arm, wrist, fingers really got a feel for where to put the bar before I actually hit the note. For example I can tell where to put the bar so when I hit the note D in the key of E the D is there so when I hit it it smoothes right to the E as I let the arm back up slowly. Also, I normally don't use my eyes much but on the whammy it helps me a little.
I also practice by hitting the note A and going down slowly to the note G on the D string, or the same notes on the B string. At first it seemed impossible but my life long obsession with Jeff Beck when I was a kid, I am 61 today, made me NEED to learn all those things I could never do without a vibrato arm. I call it taget shooting. Yes to everthing everbody said by the way. It is hard to believe, but i can do that intro pretty good on Where were you because I HAD TO!!! I love J. Beck too much.
You Can Do It, just take your time and practice hitting different inervals Till it becomes second nature. Took me 2-3 years to get comfortable enough to use it in front of other good guitarists.
Steve Buffington
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
If you really want to use the bar for something interesting, there are Maqam modes. Thing is, maqams use microtuning, so there are notes a quarter-step sharp, for example, that you can't fret normally on a guitar. You could learn to use the bar to hit those notes.
A really effective exercise would be playing to a chromatic tuner, and gaining a certain feel when using the bar so you can accurately shift to other notes that are in-tune.
Personally, I like vibrato arms more for a vibrato effect (especially on certain chords) and dive-bombs.
If you really want to use the bar for something interesting, there are Maqam modes. Thing is, maqams use microtuning, so there are notes a quarter-step sharp, for example, that you can't fret normally on a guitar. You could learn to use the bar to hit those notes.
A really effective exercise would be playing to a chromatic tuner, and gaining a certain feel when using the bar so you can accurately shift to other notes that are in-tune.
Personally, I like vibrato arms more for a vibrato effect (especially on certain chords) and dive-bombs.
treyhaislip
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
Well, I would say start by using it for viabrato–get use to the difference amount of force you use to have short, long, shallow, deep, etc vibrato. The diving bombing is fun as is hitting a harmonic and adjusting the pitch with the whammy bar. Just have fun with it and get use to all of the different sounds/effects you can get out of it.
Well, I would say start by using it for viabrato–get use to the difference amount of force you use to have short, long, shallow, deep, etc vibrato. The diving bombing is fun as is hitting a harmonic and adjusting the pitch with the whammy bar. Just have fun with it and get use to all of the different sounds/effects you can get out of it.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
There aren't really any exercises like for learning to play scales and arpeggios and sweeping, it's just something you have to get in there and do. Go to the extremes on either end of the spectrum - full back, full down - and hit as many points in between as you can.
Listen to as many Floyded tracks as you can, from several different players.
A few I can recommend where the bar is used musically:
-Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast through Powerslave.
-Motley Crue - Theater of Pain
For practice with bar/bend control, use it to mimic slide parts. At one time I could do Zeppelin's version of You Shook Me entirely with a Kahler trem.
Try doing the slide parts to Freebird with the bar.
There aren't really any exercises like for learning to play scales and arpeggios and sweeping, it's just something you have to get in there and do. Go to the extremes on either end of the spectrum - full back, full down - and hit as many points in between as you can.
Listen to as many Floyded tracks as you can, from several different players.
A few I can recommend where the bar is used musically:
-Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast through Powerslave.
-Motley Crue - Theater of Pain
For practice with bar/bend control, use it to mimic slide parts. At one time I could do Zeppelin's version of You Shook Me entirely with a Kahler trem.
Try doing the slide parts to Freebird with the bar.
brunogio
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Re: New Guitar, Whammy Bar question?
This is something to really work at if you had to work at one thing.
Otherwise just do what feels right to you. But be sure to give a listen to a lot of the stuff recommended here. If you decide it's something you want to incorporate into your style you should be able to find a lesson on line or even a Youtube of someone breaking it down for you.
I always thought it was a cool thing to drop the trem down a bit, hit a note and then bring it up into tune. It's kind of a slide thing but I only use it sparingly rather than to make the whole part sound like it was done on slide.
Also just giving it a little shake when now and then is cool. Can be fast to give it sort of a wobbly sound or slow.
In short there are no right or wrong answers.
This is something to really work at if you had to work at one thing.
Otherwise just do what feels right to you. But be sure to give a listen to a lot of the stuff recommended here. If you decide it's something you want to incorporate into your style you should be able to find a lesson on line or even a Youtube of someone breaking it down for you.
I always thought it was a cool thing to drop the trem down a bit, hit a note and then bring it up into tune. It's kind of a slide thing but I only use it sparingly rather than to make the whole part sound like it was done on slide.
Also just giving it a little shake when now and then is cool. Can be fast to give it sort of a wobbly sound or slow.
In short there are no right or wrong answers.