New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

Carrlos Rivera

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Hi everybody.

I introduce myself here, since i cannot find a dedicated subforum.

My name's Cristian, and i live in Italy. Please forgive me for any grammar or syntax mistakes i'll make in my posts! XD
I was born and raised in a cd shop, and music has always been a part of my life. Some years ago, for family reasons, we sold it, and now i'm working in the publishing industry.
My biggest regret has always been never learning to play any musical instrument. Now, i'm not a kid anymore, but 2 years ago something inside me burnt suddenly, and i decided to trash all my regrets and finally learn to play guitar. In some senses, this decision "saved my life", 'cause it gave me back motivations and passion that i didn't feel since a long time.

Guitar world was love at first sight. Guitars, PUs, amps... everything is so exciting, and i'm sure i will never feel bored in my life! XD

One year ago i bought a Fender Pawn Shop '51, a kind of hybrid guitar, with tele neck, strat body and pickguard and electronics from a Precision '51 bass.
I really loved it since the beginning, it was very versatile, fun to play, with a PU configuration that i really love. It's an H-S, with splittable humbucker. Stock PU should be a Texas Special in the neck and a Fender Enforcer humbucker in the bridge. Texas Special is very famous; Enforcer is the heaviest and highest gain humbucker Fender makes - it could be compared to SD Invader. No tone pot, only volume pot and a three-way rotary selector. This sounded very useful to me when i was a beginner (i know, i'm still a beginner... ^^"), because in my first guitar (Ibanez RG) it was very easy to accidentally swith the selector while strumming.
Then, about 6 months ago, i changed my first (digital) amp with a true-valve... and i discovered a new world of wonderful sounds!

Shifting to true-valve amp also means discovering again your guitar. Now you can really meet her, understand her true nature, know her pros and cons. I found the neck PU was too powerless and too noisy, compared to the bridge. Meanwhile, my luthier was always repeating me that the neck PU was "junk" and that it "wasn't a Texas Special". So, i decided to replace it. In fact, when i removed it i found absolutely no writing nor codes on it, so it's impossible to say if it's original or not. Anyway, after a long research, i finally found a single coil that seemed to be exactly what i was looking for: a DiMarzio DP 409, "Virtual Vintage Heavy Blues 2". I know it's made by competitors. Sorry. By the way, it sounded great in the neck position: great output, great character, absolutely noiseless, creamy but warm and fat at the same time. I like it very much. And the middle position with my humbucker is really fantastic, a very good pairing.

One month ago my teacher bought a new guitar, a Stratocaster American Standard of '98. It seems to be a limited version, with three noiseless single coils. He plugged it into his amp and let me hear it. Clean sound, neck, middle, everything sounded very good. Then, he shifted to the crunch channel, set the gain up, and let me hear the bridge. AWSOME!!! It was a single coil, but s it was very different from the classic strat sound, and sounded warmer, bigger, and in some way heavier than my humbucker! I tried my guitar in the same amp with the same gain, and it was a complete defeat. At my home, with my equalization and using an OD in the crunch channel, i found a good dirty sound for my humbucker; but comparing it with that Strat, i realized it's too acid, open and "dry" for me. So, i decided to change the humbucker, too.

First thing i'll do will be replacing the three-way rotative selector with a tone pot, adding a toogle switch. This should help a little bit.

Than, i should find a new HB. Since my original Enforcer is high-gain, and neck's PU has hi output, too, i would prefer to avoid vintage output PU, i fear i would unbalance my gear. At the same time, i don't want an output monster, it would be nonsense to replace mine if a take a too similar one. And i would prefer AlNiCo to ceramic.
I'm very attracted by the 59/Custom Hybrid, i think it could be perfect. But friends reccomended me Seth Lover (a bit expensive... ^^") and AlNiCo II Pro, too. I really don't want a "leaspaulish" guitar (i'll buy a real Les Paul one day! ^^), but friends say that Seth and A2P sound totally different in alder bodies. The best thing would be try playing some alder guitars with these PUs in the bridge in some guitar shops, but, unfortunately, it's not easy at all finding guitars with these specs.

Any idea/suggestion? Is 59/Custom the right choice? Or should i follow my friends' suggestions?
Sorry, i forgot to say that i like playing blues, hard rock, classic rock, heavy rock and metal.

Thanx to everyone and... ciao!
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

assuming the high-gain pickup u have got is a ceramic magnet pickup, and that u really like the high-gain stuff, and u are also thinking of crossing onto Alnico magnets, be warned. If you are like me who also jumped on the Alnicos citing the musicality of tone (which they really deliver) you will also miss the chugging and punchy tones the ceramics delivered very well (which from what members of this forum say Alnico 8's deliver, i havent used).

Seth Lover and AlNiCo II Pro are both vintage output pickups so you will only have their best capability with moderate gain (seriously not for metal). Since you are cultured enough not to use output monsters and the kinds of music you play, these pickups would probably be very good candidates; 59/Custom hybrid, Custom, Custom 5, Screamin Demon
 
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Hi!
Thank you so much for your reply and your suggestions. I see you agree with the 59/Custom hybrid. I was also considering Custom and Custom 5, i like them both; but since the hybrid should give you some of the warm tones of 59, i think i would prefer it to the "normal" Customs... and i have to say that, when i listen to the "12 metal PU comparison" in the SD website, i'm always very impressed by the hybrid, it's absolutely the one i like most.
I'm conscious that AlNiCo magnets are not "punch-in-the-face" such as ceramic magnets; but some friends of mine agree that you just need to push a little more gain in the amp and you'll be punchy even with AlNiCo magnets. What do you think about their statement?
Thanx again! ;)
 
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Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

Hi!
Thank you so much for your reply and your suggestions. I see you agree with the 59/Custom hybrid. I was also considering Custom and Custom 5, i like them both; but since the hybrid should give you some of the warm tones of 59, i think i would prefer it to the "normal" Customs... and i have to say that, when i listen to the "12 metal PU comparison" in the SD website, i'm always very impressed by the hybrid, it's absolutely the one i like most.
I'm conscious that AlNiCo magnets are not "punch-in-the-face" such as ceramic magnets; but some friends of mine agree that you just need to push a little more gain in the amp and you'll be punchy even with AlNiCo magnets. What do you think about their statement?
Thanx again! ;)

Your English is awesome. I can get plenty punchy tones out of alnico pickups. The 59/Custom hybrid stock is my favorite bridge humbucker. It gets some of the tight bottom end and output from the custom so the punch, and the lead sounds very musical and responsive to how you play. I use it to get ZZ top, Zeppelin, Van Halen, and Megadeth tones without breaking a sweat. If you like clean stuff, it works very well as a full humbucker, but when you split it like how your guitar is set up, you can switch it to the Custom slug coil, which is wound decently hot. This means there isn't as much as a volume drop when splitting. LOTS of harmonics too. Very versatile. It is not as hot as the Enforcer or Custom/Custom 5, but it has a warmth that they don't, and can do cleans better than each from my experience.
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

Before suggesting pickup or wiring alterations, I wish to ask about your amplification, pedals and playing style.
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

Before suggesting pickup or wiring alterations, I wish to ask about your amplification, pedals and playing style.
My amp is a Blackstar HT-5H. Not very powerful, but i like both clean and crunch channels. The cabinet is a VOX NT 112G, with a 12' Celestion Greenback. My pedals are a Blackstar HT Boost (i use id mainly before crunch or OD), a Joyo Ultimate Drive (clone of the Fulltone OCD), a compressor; in the loop effect i have a TC Electronics Flashback, a Mooer ShimVerb and a Carl Martin Hydra Boost (transparent volume boost).
I'm not a pro, i'm still learning, so i don't have a "style", i just like all kinds of rock, some metal and some good blues.

Your English is awesome.
Thanx! :usa2:
I can get plenty punchy tones out of alnico pickups. The 59/Custom hybrid stock is my favorite bridge humbucker. It gets some of the tight bottom end and output from the custom so the punch, and the lead sounds very musical and responsive to how you play. I use it to get ZZ top, Zeppelin, Van Halen, and Megadeth tones without breaking a sweat. If you like clean stuff, it works very well as a full humbucker, but when you split it like how your guitar is set up, you can switch it to the Custom slug coil, which is wound decently hot. This means there isn't as much as a volume drop when splitting. LOTS of harmonics too. Very versatile. It is not as hot as the Enforcer or Custom/Custom 5, but it has a warmth that they don't, and can do cleans better than each from my experience.
Great! This is exactly what i needed to know! Thanx a lot! I think i'll go with the hybrid, and then i'll let you know my impressions. ;)
Just be patient... I'm going to Japan in May, and there's a fantastic market for used PUs and pedals at affordable prices there. I think i'll do some good shopping... :dance:
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

I'm conscious that AlNiCo magnets are not "punch-in-the-face" such as ceramic magnets; but some friends of mine agree that you just need to push a little more gain in the amp and you'll be punchy even with AlNiCo magnets. What do you think about their statement?

I think you cannot go wrong with 59/Custom with what u play. And I agree with its clean sounds and its very capable split humbucker sounds as described here. As for the Alnico vs Ceramic comparison, while A5 with lots of more gain might get u near ceramic territory, the excess of gain from amp will also bring lots of mud and loose definition. Just keep that in mind, I would not recommend Alnico for someone who plays only heavy metal (which u are NOT). 59/Custom seems to be holding very well in that Keith Merrow demo so I think it good enough for u and for other versatility u need. Personally I like Alnico better for their natural bloomy sound, un-compressed with very good dynamic range and therefore being very pick sensitive nature. I myself will be getting 59/Custom for one of my guitars soon.

My amp is a Blackstar HT-5H. Not very powerful, but i like both clean and crunch channels. The cabinet is a VOX NT 112G, with a 12' Celestion Greenback. My pedals are a Blackstar HT Boost (i use id mainly before crunch or OD), a Joyo Ultimate Drive (clone of the Fulltone OCD), a compressor; in the loop effect i have a TC Electronics Flashback, a Mooer ShimVerb and a Carl Martin Hydra Boost (transparent volume boost).
I'm not a pro, i'm still learning, so i don't have a "style", i just like all kinds of rock, some metal and some good blues.
You might not be a pro, but I see very good sensibility in how the rig is set up. So keep it goin bro. Just for kicks get to know how different amps react with ur pedals u have here (possibly bigger ones than u have now), single out a amp and try tinkering and get to know how preamp gain works and power amps works (good luck there with volume levels, dont blow ur ear doin it). Remember to get sensible results, the trick is to have less amount of variables changing to get to ur objective. It is also about getting a solid opinion for urself and less about what other people tell u how things are. Good Luck!
 
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Thank u so much for your kindness and your warmness guys, u r great!
Koshikas, i'll surely do as u suggested. Everything that can help me grow as a musican is welcome. And it's so fun tinkering and making experiments with different rigs!
I'll be back when i'll have news! :headbang:
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

I was almost gonna say a JB, but I don't see you going wrong with the 59/custom.
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

If you really want a similar punch as the ceramic with the hybrid just switch to the A8 mag....it will do wonders!
 
Re: New humbucker for my Fender Pawn Shop '51. Any suggestions?

I was almost gonna say a JB, but I don't see you going wrong with the 59/custom.

Thanx for the suggestion, but i fear it would be too acid and too similar to the one i already have, to my ears.

If you really want a similar punch as the ceramic with the hybrid just switch to the A8 mag....it will do wonders!
OK... there's the Alternative 8 in AlNiCo 8... no other model? In the Keith Merrow demo, the Alternative 8 sounds not bad, but too compressed... I have a couple of EMG 81-85 in my other guitar, i think they would be too simliar. I know, i should try it in an alder-maple guitar to have a correct impression, but it's a damn rare PU to find!
A crazy idea could be picking a warm PAF style PU, like 59, Seth Lover or PG, and replece the original mag with an AlNiCo VIII... Or doin it with the 59/Custom itself... Sounds funny! Maybe i'll try, one day. :)
 
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Thanx for the suggestion, but i fear it would be too acid and too similar to the one i already have, to my ears.

The thing about the JB is that I find it too muddy in mahogany, and for a lot of people on this forum, no matter what guitar you are playing that's the magical pickup, so it's not often I suggest it. However, the one time I love a JB is in an alder or ash bodied guitar, and given your range of styles, the JB would be really good, but like I said the 59/C is a great option as well.
 
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Fender Pawn Shop '51

It's an H-S, with splittable humbucker. Stock PU should be a Texas Special in the neck

blues, hard rock, classic rock, heavy rock and metal.

im going to put in a vote for a JB also. Add a coil split in a push/pull tone pot and you have a winning combination with your texas special in the neck. Perfect for an alder body. JB's were built for sounding good in bolt on fender style axes. If you do choose the coil split option, the split sound will balance perfectly with the texas special and the JB also will sound great with 250k pots (which is normally the value found in strats/teles/single coil equipped axes). It also contains an alnico 5 magnet (same magnet composotion as your texas special) and a similar bark in the midrange, which means you can make your amp settings in such a way that both the the neck and bridge willl sound their best. When you run the JB on its own as a full humbucker, its a killer, classic rocking pickup. Its hot for sure, but very different and much sweeter than the mega high output ceramic style humbuckers.

welcome to the forum :)
 
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Thanx for your welcome, and for your suggestion too. :14:
Actually, I already have a push/pull coil split in volume pot; but i don't have the Texas Special in the neck position anymore, i changed it with a DiMarzio Heavy Blues 2 - noiseless, fat and punchy AlNiCo II single coil.
 
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