New Les Paul Day

JOLLY

Super Simonologist
But not by me....lol, It's funny, over the years Gearjoneser and I have bought tons of crap. From all kinds of amps and pedals, to all kinds of guitars. I absolutely love that dude with all of my heart, and I consider him a great friend. We've always told each other about it, but half the time we've never even shared with y'all what all we've bought. The two of us are just players that love music, share a love of great gear, and we're not gloating fart wads. I couldn't even tell you how many guitars and amps that each of us have bought and own that nobody else even knows about. Anyways, I gotta call him out on this one..............


Umm Hmmm.......Anything you would like to share with us Joe?
 
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Mebbe he's organizing the Room Shot(s)...

He's been a tease lately,good callout,JJ!
:)

(IceteaBurst.I believe...)
 
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I polished up my stable of 8 Gibsons, ready to start taking pics, and realized my indoor lighting is causing glare, reflections, and innacurate representations of the colors, so I've got to wait till I have better light.

Stay tuned though. The three day weekend gives me plenty of time to do a proper photo shoot.
 
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I found this 100% mint 2008 Iced Teaburst LP Traditional, 50's neck, gloss red back, Kluson tuners, last of the good Gibson years gem of a guitar. I wasn't going to let this one get away. It looks so sick sitting next to my LP Honeyburst flametop and ES-335 Lightburst flame top/back.

Here's a few pics from the LA Craigslist listing.

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It even came with Schaller straplocks, stock strap buttons, original speed knobs, and newly installed tophat Gibson knobs.

$1700 firm, making it over $1000 off the new price plus tax.
 
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Sweet...

I've been seeing great deals on great Les Pauls on the used market lately- well not GREAT, but substantially cheaper than what Gibson's original price was
 
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Some beautiful flame on that one!! Wow! And helluva score!!!!!

Side note>>> Why you say 2008 is last good year? thanx!
 
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Side note>>> Why do you say 2008 is the last good year? thanx!

From the mid 90's - 2010, Gibson had access to a lot of good wood, and unfortunately for them, they got busted by the EPA/FBI, mostly for their illegally harvested rosewood. Luckily for me, my fretboard is dark and probably that good rosewood. The tops were also better before the beginning of the 08 recession.

After the beginning of the recession, Gibson began cheapening things quite a bit, like cutting back on monster flametops, and made more models with satin backs, like the Traditional Pro. Then in 2010, Gibson was affected heavily by the Tennessee flood, where it crippled the company for awhile. Around 2011 to 2012, our own crappy government practically toppled a great American business by raiding them, and who knows how many skilled workers they lost around this time. They took a lot of Gibson's good wood, and forced the factory to start making fretboards out of maple and Richlite, a laminate composite material. There may be nothing wrong with that from a playing/tone standpoint, but those guitars will always be less desirable to collectors.

Moving along, Gibson began installing the robot tuners on too many good models, which most guitarists didn't want or need, and then in 2015 Gibson (Henry J) lost their damm minds. Nobody asked for Gibson to widen their fretboards and add a brass nut!!! Doubled with robot tuners, PCB electronics, cheaper finishes, and the horrible "Les Paul deathbed scribble logo".....I patented that by the way! LOL 2015 will always be the year of the Gibson mistakes. They even had to send normal tuners to be installed by their dealers to boost their waning sales. At the end of 2015, they heavily discounted the models to get them to sell. In 2016, they started getting back to normal, but slowly.

So, 2008 is a prime year for Gibson....and pretty much all music equipment made before this time.
 
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From the mid 90's - 2010, Gibson had access to a lot of good wood, and unfortunately for them, they got busted by the EPA/FBI, mostly for their illegally harvested rosewood. Luckily for me, my fretboard is dark and probably that good rosewood. The tops were also better before the beginning of the 08 recession.

After the beginning of the recession, Gibson began cheapening things quite a bit, like cutting back on monster flametops, and made more models with satin backs, like the Traditional Pro. Then in 2010, Gibson was affected heavily by the Tennessee flood, where it crippled the company for awhile. Around 2011 to 2012, our own crappy government practically toppled a great American business by raiding them, and who knows how many skilled workers they lost around this time. They took a lot of Gibson's good wood, and forced the factory to start making fretboards out of maple and Richlite, a laminate composite material. There may be nothing wrong with that from a playing/tone standpoint, but those guitars will always be less desirable to collectors.

Moving along, Gibson began installing the robot tuners on too many good models, which most guitarists didn't want or need, and then in 2015 Gibson (Henry J) lost their damm minds. Nobody asked for Gibson to widen their fretboards and add a brass nut!!! Doubled with robot tuners, PCB electronics, cheaper finishes, and the horrible "Les Paul deathbed scribble logo".....I patented that by the way! LOL 2015 will always be the year of the Gibson mistakes. They even had to send normal tuners to be installed by their dealers to boost their waning sales. At the end of 2015, they heavily discounted the models to get them to sell. In 2016, they started getting back to normal, but slowly.

So, 2008 is a prime year for Gibson....and pretty much all music equipment made before this time.


Not all of 2015 was a bad year.... Gibson initially made horrible mistakes in the beginning of 2015, and no one bought their guitars...

Then by July, in order to make up for lost sales, Gibson created the "Sprint Run" which was available to some of their larger dealers. It's the same 2015 Les Paul, but with a traditional width, slim asymmetrical neck, and Grover Locking Tuners. The deathbed scribble is still there, as is the hologram on the back of the headstock, but considering these guitars are basically almost a 2016 Les Paul, and heavily discounted (originally $2800, now due to the 2015 stigma that can be had for $1999), I'm overlooking the scribble on mine. Gibson offers a free titanium replacement nut as well. The adjustable nut on mine I love as I can dial in the action quickly without trips to the shop to cut the nut lower.

The mistake Gibson made was by shoving the improvements down everyone's throats onto every model. I've since bought a used set of Gibson GForce Robot tuners off Ebay , installed them, and like them ALOT- but there's many people that don't like them. The 29% price increase for features no one wanted hurt Gibson as well.

Anyway, congrats!!!!
 
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It took me a long time to find a Les Paul that I thought worthy of the quality/feel/sound and really like the feel to equate to the price. Granted; I was married, had kids, a house payment, car payment, insurance...the whole bit back then. That said; when I ran across the '82 LP Standard in Candy Apple Red w/Gold Hardware and most of the paint worn off the back of the neck from it having been lovingly played for a very long time...it got my attention. I missed it at Music Go Round as someone in Maryland snagged it as it was at a very good price and I would up paying about $300-400 more to pick it up off that person's eBay auction for what was a good value IMHO at the time.

I generally don't like the newer Gibson Products and look for stuff manufactured from about 1995 back. If I hadn't gone through a crappy divorce I'd still have the '82 CAR LP Standard. That said; I've only owned a couple LP Studios briefly - '93 and '95 both of which were well built and felt solid and had some weight to them, a couple of MIII Shredders - very cool and under-rated guitars that "aren't your father's Gibson" and I would definitely buy again if the price were right, one SG extremely briefly as it was "aftermarket modded for a Floyd" and had a few issue, a Cherry Sunburst LP XR-1 that had frets that I just couldn't get along with in the end and an '85 Alder Bodied Flying V - nice but weighed nothing and neck dove like crazy...original Dirty Fingers were pretty cool though.

I still love the older Gibson Guitars better when I play them in guitar stores; but I have to say that the recently picked up 2009 LP Raw Power is changing my view a bit. While it may not be a "Pretty Paul" with a Crazy Flamey Top and it's pretty basic in it's features with the mentioned maligned Gibson cost cutting/recovery measures mentioned above; Satin Finish, Maple Fretboard & Maple Body (main reason I was interested in it to begin with), etc....it is a well built instrument with high quality components that plays extremely well and sounds pretty darn awesome (again IMHO). It's certainly turned out to be more guitar and a better guitar than I anticipated when I picked it up for $549.00 shipped with a Gibson HSC.

New or Old;as someone stated...it's difficult to rate any guitar w/o getting one's hands on it. People always talk about going through any number of Pauls or Strats in GC or wherever until they find that "one" where everything came together for them with all the factors one considers when buying a "new to you" guitar.
 
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Yeah, from a player standpoint, a lot of Gibson's non traditional features aren't bad at all. I don't care for the robot tuners, but with everyone using clip-on tuners nowadays, it makes sense to just have it integrated.

Back in 77/78, Gibson had some maple fretboard models for players that preferred it, so it makes sense to have maple available today too.

I blame Gibson's management for a lot of questionable design changes, but the past 10 years has been rough on them, from the flood, to a govt. that doesn't seem to care about it's largest and oldest companies, as well as having to compete with the flood of cheap imports in a bad economy. I actually applaud them for sticking it out in this country.
 
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