Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
And again - who cares; Is a good sound? Is it the sound you need?
You tell me - you heard my POD going direct with a Boosted JCM800 model. Was it any more/less/different than the 900 or whatever else was up there?
New Line 6 Helix STADIUM (and a bunch of confused guys in hats!)
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You tell me - you heard my POD going direct with a Boosted JCM800 model. Was it any more/less/different than the 900 or whatever else was up there?
I think most amp modeling companies focus the most on things like Marshalls and modern gain machines. Vintage Fender enthusiasts are least likely to use a modeler (because anything after 1968 is the devil or something). So the best sounds on most modelers (and the models the companies spend the most time on) are things like Marshalls. Line 6 has that sound *down*. It gets a little murkier when they are trying to model dynamic boutique and vintage Fender models. Fractal does a pretty good job, but it isn't like hearing a well-recorded Deluxe yet- especially in the room.
Sirion
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Yeah, for your repertoire, this rig will do the trick for 95% of the distorted tones.
marcello252
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I'm a Fender type of guy but This^ is the cornerstone to almost EVERY rock sound
as a vintage fender guy, i very much agree with that last part. trust me, i get the convenience, but i havent found a modeler than can replace my vintage fenders. and, for example, not all bf deluxe reverbs sound the same. i have a bunch of friends who have '64-'67 dr amps. they all sound great, but mine is just better for whatever reason, and they will tell ya the same thing. my buddy rich who can play circles around me, offers to trade me his '64 and cash for my '66 every time he plays it (which is at least once a month). i hope there comes a time when they get there and i can leave the amps at home, but we aint there yet.
Yeah, plus, the modeler will only sound as good as the speakers used to amplify it, and in clubs, that can vary wildly. And I still come across soundpeople at festivals that *refuse* to take an XLR line out from my Fractal, and would rather stick a mic in front of whatever monitor I bring onstage.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
I use a Soldano on the crunch channel for Still of the Night - LOL
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Old Boomer sound guy yelling "Get off of my stage you damn kids!!!"
I mean, if you design your tone around that speaker...could be awesome.
But Gene Simmons had a great line about that. Someone asked him what strings he used and he said "I don;t know. After the sound leaves my bass, goes through my amp, into whatever microphone in questionable condition, to who knows what PA, comes out of a giant speaker array, into whatever shaped venue sound situation, do you think the brand of string makes a difference?" Or something to that effect.
I would normally think that a single XLR cable (2 if stereo) is easier to set up than a mic and stand in front of the amp. Also, having a cleaner sound without a bunch of open mics onstage might make it easier to mix out front. But some sound companies are stuck in 1982, I guess.
Sirion
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An extravagance! :-D
marcello252
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Had similar experience several times, a cable from a red box for example, sometimes they look at it like it was an alien tail
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
I do not disagree. But you think normally...
We would need to start a different thread on strange things sound guys think; Every band needs bass pumped like a dance club, mids need cut, the vocals need reverb and delay tweaked every damn song....
It's why we don't use them anymore.
marcello252
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The mids cut particularly, this arena wannabe feel it's sooo loved
We don't, either. Unless it is a festival, and we are then at their mercy, and they mix like it is a dance club in 1985.
