...new MIM Jags/JMs!!!

danglybanger

ReelItInologist
...but I don't really know if I'm happy. I should be. After all, Fender mostly ignores these models and the people who play them, and now are doing that less. Right?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jaguar-Special-Electric-Guitar?sku=518688
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http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jaguar-Special-HH-Electric-Guitar?sku=518749
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http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jazzmaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=518687
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Well colors aside, at least they look decent. I'm near autistic when it comes to Jags/JMs so bear with me.

I'll start off by NOT going all purist and yet still somehow being disappointed by offering my real complaint: Fender Japan already produces quality Jags/JMs for less. No diss on MIMs but Fender Japan offers about ten times as many colors, they even offer a few models of humbucker, TOM Jags to begin with... Even one with EMGs. And the changes (listed later) just don't add up for me.

Going a bit more nerdy and purist, what I think of the actual guitars... the trem with the screw in collet might be the single BEST thing about that guitar. CIJ trems barely grip the arm and wear out if you take it out a lot, AV trems grip the arm so hard you feel like you're going to break it when inserting/removing, and the trem can still swing a little too freely for my liking... Wonder how much those'll exchange for on ebay :)

The next best thing might be the angled neck pocket, which is sort of useless because the neck shim was invented... but reasonable enough and probably TOM related.

Now my period of ambivalence, which is the fact that the trem is scooted forward about one inch as compared to a standard model for more string tension... I actually have my Telecaster/Jazzmaster thing's trem set up at about the point where Fender put the trem on these, but more for aesthetic Telecaster related reasons... not too much of an impact on the sound, but sort of is. Hopefully it stops people from trying silly things/devices with the bridges/trems.

I'm also ambivalent on the neck, 9.5" radius will probably allow players to eke out slightly higher bends... Course I like the 7.5" radius on my Jag, especially as the shorter scale made bending easy as hell anyway... But I could live with 9.5".

...saving my feelings on the TOM for last. I don't feel particularly cheated by Fender installing TOMs on these, as Fender Japan has offered a few models of Jags with them for years. But something will always irk me about them, especially as Fender isn't offering any other options on this line...

The bottom line: Will a well set up stock Jag bridge be stable and problem free anyway? Yeah. Are there still ways to improve the Jag bridge? probably. Has it ever been a good idea to stick a TOM on a Jag...

Play a Jag trem with the stock bridge. you can abuse the hell out of it and it'll come back to tune better than any non-locking trem. If you look at the bridge closely, you'll realize that the angle at which it rocks and compensates is fairly extreme. A TOM won't do that at all (as most people who replace them soon find out). You don't wind up with a disaster (like putting a TOM on a Mustang) but it's not quite as good as the stock arrangement.

Personally I'd replace the TOM with either the stock bridge or to be a bit fancier, a roller bridge.

So in the end I'm still sort of wondering "why"... The improvements don't really add up for me, if I'm in the mood for a lower cost Jag any time soon I'll get a CIJ on ebay. I'm happy to see Fender making these and drumming up interest, but in the end they don't bring anything new to the table and sort of disappoint me... Especially when a few thousand miles away the Japanese axes are taunting us. I'm sure there was some marketing/economic reason for keeping us from those guitars.
 
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I saw this the other day...Im glad they are doing these! The fact of the matter is that the MIJ/CIJ versions are hard to get over here and alot of the MIJ Jag's and JM's I've seen were Basswood...these new MIM are alder and thats a BIG plus, as is the 9.5 radius and the tune-o-matic, add to that the amazing MIM quality (I hate to say it but I prefer MIM Fender over stanbdard MIA Fender these days....CS is a different story but the dollar to quality ratio is FAR in favor of MIM Fender at this point to me!) and you've got a great guitar!

I might have to swing off the Strat/Tele tree for a big and grab a new (old!) Fender again!
 
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Price wise they really aren't that much better. I don't know if these models will do much to improve the popularity of these guitars because they are still $1,000+.
 
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It's pretty cool though, a "KC model".

And at least they put the truss rod adjust at the correct end.
That's my usual knock on MIM, that plastic top truss rod access, WTF.

Does that neck angle thing mean it's more like a Les Paul?

Those Enforcer Bridge pups are Super 3 clones, don't know about the neck pup.

Bigger frets is a plus. Vintage tuners a plus. Case a plus.

Still, I'd rather Fender MIM did a $399 Mustang. Poplar, alder, basswood whatever, though if they did it might be $499.:biglaugh:
 
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i sure like the look of the black jazzmaster... and ya a roller bridge would be a real bonus on those... i wonder if the Gotoh roller tuneomatic bridge would fit
 
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haha, yes CIJ axes are hard to find over here... but they shouldn't be, at least from a consumer's perspective :laugh2: I wish Fender would import them, but I'm sure there are many reasons why they never will.

Alder is an improvement, CIJ Jags/JMs have mostly been made of Alder since 96/97, and ALMOST all current ones are, every so often a special edition finish model will still be basswood...

I like the idea of a less costly Mustang, but the Jap models are one of the few that Fender actually imports, and they're fairly reasonable in cost, especially considering the new ones have copper shielding, cloth wiring and other niceties... Not that a $300 one wouldn't be a cool idea.

In the end I guess I'd rather splurge on an AV or save up and get a CIJ for a couple hundred less than buy the MIM.
 
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72 Tele Deluxe is $200 less...standard Strat or Tele is half the price...what the hell are they even thinking with this?

i mean i like the weird fenders too but if they're gonna start building 'em in Mexico they should've made them like 'Jaguar Standard' and only cost like $400.
 
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The Classic Players are a good series. Better than other MIM. If I recall, they use all custom shop parts but are factory made in Mexico, so are extremely affordable. They're definitely worth the money.

I was thinking about getting the Jazzmaster, but there's a Tele I want for the same price coming out next month, so I'm getting it instead.
 
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I would consider the angled neck pocket a vast improvement. The last JM I held had a visible gap between the bottom of the neck and the pocket .... AND .... the action was still very high.
 
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ugh.

latest info says the jm's pups use screw polepieces. which mean bar magnets. which basically means they've stuck p90 in the thing :P

not that im down on p90s, they have a nice distorted tone. i just have a feeling this thing won't sound so proper without some work, bah. At that price, plus the cost of parts to get a real JM sound...

And yes, any jag/jm youll see at gc or most any shop will have a horrible setup, lol. its basically up to owners to get the thing playing properly, which really isnt difficult... angled neck pocket isn't necessary (at least for a standard jag), but is a bit on the thoughtful side...
 
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i like that HH jag too. i think it looks a lot better than than the Black CIJ HH jag with chrome pup covers.
 
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bah, no nice colors.

bah, no blocks and binding.

bah, I'd still rather go to Japan.
 
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It's a Custom. You can tell by the Tele bridge pickup and hs.

Whoops. I didn't watch the video long enough to see the bridge pickup. I just clicked it said "Tele Deluxe" and clicked out. Thanks for the correction.


And yes, every GC I've been to, all of their guitars are horribly set up... Actually, I don't even think they do set them up; they just put them on the wall without doing anything.

The one place that I go to is a local store, and they set everything up before they go on the shelf and then do set ups on them every season change. I've hung out there while they go around and do new set ups on every guitar for summer. Pretty nice.
 
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not that im down on p90s, they have a nice distorted tone. i just have a feeling this thing won't sound so proper without some work, bah. At that price, plus the cost of parts to get a real JM sound.....

I'm not sure I know what a JM sounds like with the "proper" pickup. I'm almost certain the MIA Elvis Costello model I played had P90s. Whatever it was .... even with a substandard or non-existent set-up ....... the guitar sounded great - very different from any strat or tele I've heard.

The guitar literally breathed tone!
 
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