New pickups for my EC-1000

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Hey all,

My name is Tim. I'm a long time reader and first time poster.

I have an ESP/Ltd. EC-1000 (all mahogany body, and neck, 24 fret rosewood fretboard and Tonepros locking bridge) that came stock with the EMG 81/60 combo and I want to switch to passives as metal is no longer my main focus.

The 81 is very thin, harsh, has no low end, and feels lifeless.
The 60 too much low end/boominess, not enough clarity and also feels and sounds pretty dull.
I've also tried 57/66 set.
The 57 was a bit fuller, still too bright/harsh
The 66 was clearer, but has some annoying resonant frequencies and almost a pinging sound that drove me crazy. They both also still felt lifeless.
I also tried swapping positions and combining the bridge and neck positions of each set and nothing worked for me.

I play clean, low gain-mid gain crunch,high gain rhythm and leads in all styles as well. I switch between them constantly so I need a set that can cover rock, blues, and metal essentially.
Some bands I would say my sound sits closest with would be: Tool, Clapton, Metallica,Chevelle, Tash Sultana, Trivium, Lamb of God, Deftones, In Flames, Hendrix.

I'm looking for a bridge pickup that has a full sound, tight but powerful lows, with a high end that will cut thru a live mix without being harsh and a neck pickup that is very clear but still has a nice low end without being muddy and unclear.

I mostly use this guitar into my interface with amp sims or when I play at my church. But I will be buying a Mesa Rectifier or Mark IV in the next few months.

I tried the JB/59 set and Distortion set both in a Jackson soloist/dinky, the Custom 5/Jazz set in an ESP H3-1000, and the Alpha/Omega set in the Mark Holcomb PRS SE.
I'm sure they will sound different in my guitar but I wanted to get an idea of how they sounded.
The JB seemed flubby and I thought it was harsher than the 81, the 59 wasn't clear and was kind of boomy.
The Distortions bridge was pretty close in terms of fullness, low end and tightness, but it's missing some brightness.
The Custom 5 was almost there, just not bright enough and still a little flubby but better than the JB.
The Jazz's was almost hollow and lifeless.
The Alpha neck had the clarity I'm looking for and the Omega had a nice high end without being too harsh but was too thin. The one thing that really bugged me about them was they were almost too pristine and reminded me of how the EMG's feel.

I've listened to the sound clips and the Custom and Alternative 8 has caught my ear for the bridge.
The custom seems like it is still a little harsh and lacking in the low end and the alternative 8 might have too much low end and not enough clarity for me.
I emailed duncan as well and they recommended the Nazgul/Sentient set but I don't know how well they will do the cleans and lower gain stuff I play.
Price isn't really an issue and I'm open to any brand.
I've also been looking at Mojotone's specifically the Black Magic and the PW Hornets.

Sorry for the long ass post and thanks for your help.
-Tim
 
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Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

Welcome to the forum!

The Custom should have plenty of low end and was my first thought in reading your post. It is high output, but not like an active pickup- it still has some dynamics in there. Think of a vintage pickup like the 59, and give it twice the power. As for the neck, you might like the Black Winter. It does a lot more than metal, and sounds great at many different gain ranges. It doesn't sound hollow, and is nice and meaty.
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

Welcome to the forum!

The Custom should have plenty of low end and was my first thought in reading your post. It is high output, but not like an active pickup- it still has some dynamics in there. Think of a vintage pickup like the 59, and give it twice the power. As for the neck, you might like the Black Winter. It does a lot more than metal, and sounds great at many different gain ranges. It doesn't sound hollow, and is nice and meaty.

I was thinking about that exact combo.
I can't tell from the clip if the Black Winter in the neck would be overbearing in the lowend. Do you have any experience with the Black Winter bridge?
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

I was thinking about that exact combo.
I can't tell from the clip if the Black Winter in the neck would be overbearing in the lowend. Do you have any experience with the Black Winter bridge?

I do, but just in the bridge. It isn't scooped like the Custom or Custom 5. Your guitar suddenly takes up a lot of sonic space. Great for 1 guitar bands. I don't play with super high gain, so I couldn't give advice about that. But the Black Winter bridge, like the neck, is great at all gain levels.
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

If you liked the SH6 Distortion but wanted a little more brightness, the black winter would likely serve you well. The Black Winter neck is really loud, with lots of mids. However, if you adjust the height just right it can do clean stuff beautifully.
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

The distortion has quite a bit of high end, in fact, IME, it can rip your head off. So my concern would be, what interface are you running in to that you are basing your opinions on? Does it have a high impedance input that simulates a guitar amp or are you running into an input that is expecting a line level? If it is a line level input it doesn't surprise me that what you are trying sounds "woofy" and lacks high end, or that passives and actives sound totally different, the actives can handle a lower impedance input better. So, if you get something that sounds good into the interface, it may not sound good at all when you plug into a real amp.

My advice, wait until you get the amp, then make your decisions based on what sounds good into it.
 
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"I'm looking for a bridge pickup that has a full sound, tight but powerful lows, with a high end that will cut thru a live mix without being harsh and a neck pickup that is very clear but still has a nice low end without being muddy and unclear."

I think the Black Winter set would fit your desire for versatility and give you the ability to play all the varied stuff you need. The bridge cuts through anything, the highs are clear and present without being harsh IMO, and the bottom end is super-tight but full. The neck is fantastically versatile for many genres of music, and has some truly lovely single-coil qualities when split. Both pickups split really well. The neck produces beautiful cleans -- they may not be "pristine" like a PAF, but man they're near enough. You could dial up good jazz tones on the Winters.

As for the Nazgul/Sentient, the Sentient is a great MOR pickup between a Jazz and a '59, but the Nazgul won't have the range to handle all the music you want to play. That being said, the Nazgul chugs like no other pickup I've tried.
 
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I do, but just in the bridge. It isn't scooped like the Custom or Custom 5. Your guitar suddenly takes up a lot of sonic space. Great for 1 guitar bands. I don't play with super high gain, so I couldn't give advice about that. But the Black Winter bridge, like the neck, is great at all gain levels.


If you liked the SH6 Distortion but wanted a little more brightness, the black winter would likely serve you well. The Black Winter neck is really loud, with lots of mids. However, if you adjust the height just right it can do clean stuff beautifully.

Thanks. I'll try to find some more clips of them.


The distortion has quite a bit of high end, in fact, IME, it can rip your head off. So my concern would be, what interface are you running in to that you are basing your opinions on? Does it have a high impedance input that simulates a guitar amp or are you running into an input that is expecting a line level? If it is a line level input it doesn't surprise me that what you are trying sounds "woofy" and lacks high end, or that passives and actives sound totally different, the actives can handle a lower impedance input better. So, if you get something that sounds good into the interface, it may not sound good at all when you plug into a real amp.

My advice, wait until you get the amp, then make your decisions based on what sounds good into it.


I've had this guitar with EMGs in it since 2006 or maybe 2007 the latest. I've played plenty of guitars with passives and my Ltd. EC-50 with ESP's LH-100's (passive and pre LH-150's) has more feeling than my EC-1000 with EMG's.
I'm going into a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 that has a switch to do either a line or instrument level input. The EMG's clip the instrument input so it's set to line, and I have done a comparison of the ESP's vs the EMG's and felt the same way.
I've played my EC-1000 with EMG's through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Princeton, Deluxe Blues, Blues Jr. and Twin Reverb, a Marshall DSL40c, a Vox AC-10 and AC-15, Line 6 Spider II, III, IV, V, and Valve, a Peavey Vyper VIP 2 and Valve King 2 1x12, PRS MT-15, and Orange Dual Terror and more that I can't remember off hand and have felt the same way about the EMG's no matter what settings I used.
I did the Duncan pickup comparison into a Vox AC-10 which I set up for a basic, flat as possible sound, no distortion or reverb clean tone with my EC-1000 and then compared it the the guitars with the Duncan's I mentioned in my first post.
I'm flat out sick of EMG's and ready to switch to passives
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

"I'm looking for a bridge pickup that has a full sound, tight but powerful lows, with a high end that will cut thru a live mix without being harsh and a neck pickup that is very clear but still has a nice low end without being muddy and unclear."

I think the Black Winter set would fit your desire for versatility and give you the ability to play all the varied stuff you need. The bridge cuts through anything, the highs are clear and present without being harsh IMO, and the bottom end is super-tight but full. The neck is fantastically versatile for many genres of music, and has some truly lovely single-coil qualities when split. Both pickups split really well. The neck produces beautiful cleans -- they may not be "pristine" like a PAF, but man they're near enough. You could dial up good jazz tones on the Winters.

As for the Nazgul/Sentient, the Sentient is a great MOR pickup between a Jazz and a '59, but the Nazgul won't have the range to handle all the music you want to play. That being said, the Nazgul chugs like no other pickup I've tried.

I had a feeling that they would be just that. Thanks for the info.
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

Sounds like you know what you are looking for. No offense intended, it is the interwebs and hard to tell where someone is coming from.
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

No offense taken and none meant for you either. I apologize if I came across rude in any way and for the super long posts. I always read threads that I feel people ask questions without giving enough info and it bothers me. Just trying to give you guys as much info as possible. I appreciate everyone who's commented and given their opinion so far and am grateful there hasn't been any petty bashing and childish arguments which is my biggest problem with most threads.
 
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I'm going to suggest the Custom for the bridge, and a Screamin' Demon for the neck. I know it's a bridge pup, but lots of people use them in the neck.

I might be a little concerned about the power of the Custom in the bridge, but if you are not afraid of the volume control, go for it. The 59/Custom Hybrid (still Demon in neck) might be a more "all around" option that will clean up better.

I will say that I too am concerned about the "not enough highs" on a Distortion comment. The Custom will have the same high end, but more bottom (but tight).
 
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Thanks. I'll try to find some more clips of them.

I have a blackened winter in an EC black metal, and a blackened distortion in an EC1000 Koa. If I get around to doing a comparison I'll try to record it. I'm using a boss gt-001 for home practice. Not sure how much a recording of that would help.

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Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

I'm going to suggest the Custom for the bridge, and a Screamin' Demon for the neck. I know it's a bridge pup, but lots of people use them in the neck.

I might be a little concerned about the power of the Custom in the bridge, but if you are not afraid of the volume control, go for it. The 59/Custom Hybrid (still Demon in neck) might be a more "all around" option that will clean up better.

I will say that I too am concerned about the "not enough highs" on a Distortion comment. The Custom will have the same high end, but more bottom (but tight).

You know I went back and listened to the clean clip on the Distortion's page and I can tell there is a lot of high end in it. I find it odd that I didn't notice it was that bright when I played it. Maybe the guitar made it sound darker than it really is or maybe there was an issue with the pickup itself because it. I made sure the volume and tone knobs were all the way open. When I played the guitar with the JB in it with the same settings on the amp the JB made my ear feel like it was getting stabbed and the Distortion had the exact low end I was looking for but it was like the high end was cutoff.

I have a blackened winter in an EC black metal, and a blackened distortion in an EC1000 Koa. If I get around to doing a comparison I'll try to record it. I'm using a boss gt-001 for home practice. Not sure how much a recording of that would help.

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That would be awesome! Even just a DI track would be enough for me.
 
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Ahhh yeah I forgot I could do that. I'll try it tomorrow night sometime

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Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

I don't think the Black Winter is brighter than the Distortion, personally. I've switched them around in two of my guitars, and, while at first the Black Winter seems to have more bite, the Distortion has more sizzle. The Black Winter is more up-front because it's got less low-end, though. I dig both. But yeah, I agree with everyone that it's odd that you find the Distortion not bright enough.
 
Re: New pickups for my EC-1000

Honestly, it sounds like you would like a Tone Zone in the bridge and a Norton in the neck LoL!
 
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