New production tubes

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ACH91332

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Has anyone used any of the new production Tung-Sol or Mullard ECC83's? I just ordered a Tung-Sol to put in V1 hoping to open up my Marshall and a JAN Philips 5751 to put in PI to smooth out my tone a bit as well.

I looked at a similar thread when people were saying that the Tung-Sol was a lot clearer and less muffled then the JJ ECC83 which is what I heard as well and wanted to change, but I also heard they were nice and warm but I saw in that thread that people were saying they were raw and bright.

Has anyone used a Tung-Sol new production 12AX7/ECC83 in the V1 slot of a Marshall (JVM)? Because I was wondering if now I should maybe think whether or not to get the new production Mullard instead because I guess they both sound similar but the Mullard is smoother and I have about a week before the tubes come and the potential to modify my order as well since it hasn't shipped out due to some complications on my part.
 
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tungsol's seem to on the bright side, try a sovtek 12ax7 lps very smooth not harsh at all compaired to jj and other tubes. Most from what i read the the new mullards are not great, NOS are the best. you can find used ones for 30 or more a tube and they last much longer.
 
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Yeah, usually I stay away from Sovteks and it seems like a lot of other people do too, so i was curious when it started to look like everyone is going crazy about the LPS . I was thinking of giving one of those a try as well.
 
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I use a Tung-sol in V1 of my marshall. I really like it. I have a JCM800, and while those amps are supposed to be bright, mine is really warm and full... so any brightness that may happen from the Tung-sol actually helps me. I did not like the JJs, and the LPS was cool, but it was really spongey... ok with EMGs but with passives it was a bit muffled. That and it was lower gain (not a bad thing with the JVM as you have way more gain on tap than I do) I just didn't gel with it.

All that said, you probably want to play as many tubes as you can lol... you may like some and hate others.
 
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Yeah, I hate the JJ's I have. They're not terrible but they aren't really great either. Just loose and muffled sounding. They didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the stock rebranded Shuguangs that were in there.

Throwing in some E34Ls tightened it up a bit and added a bit more clarity but I know my preamp is just lacking and now I'm starting to think about using different brands in each preamp slot which is something I thought was crazy before, but now I realize why people put different tubes in different positions.
 
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I think you will like the TS in V1. I also really like the chinese tubes in the remaining slots. You can also then swap out a chinese for the TS and see which you like better in V1. I dug them in my DSL and I dig them in my Marshall modules in my Egnater Mod 50. Chinese and TS are a good match for a Marshall in my opinion. Oh, the 5751 is a good idea in the PI as well. If you don't dig it, then just switch it back! The Sovtek LPS is another good suggestion as well. I like to have various tubes around so I can play the swap game. Lot's of fun!!
 
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Yea I'm not in to the whole NOS thing because they are expensive and hard to find. When **** hits the fan I'd like to be able to right away get the exact replacement without much difficulty.

The only NOS types I'd do are JAN Philips tubes because they are cheaper and are easy to find.
 
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The JAN Philips 5751's are terrible in my Mesa. The GE's sound galaxies better. The Philips get fart and sound no bueno when cranked.
 
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Plus, I've personally found that the NOS tubes really don't make much of a difference, or even not sound as good in modern built amps. I bet they would make a difference in a plexi or vintage fender or something, but to me, I've had the best luck and tone with current production tubes. However, the GE and JAN 5751's have worked well for me at times.
 
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the more simple the amp the more i think nos tubes are worth it. i would never spend the money on nos preamp tubes for a 5150 or dual rec, the benefit isnt worth the cost. on a tweed deluxe for example your tube choice makes a huge difference on tone/character/response since there is only two tubes including the pi.
 
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there more smoother not a lot but better I think. I replaced the preamps in my bugera, i play with high gain when you palm mute you can hear that its clearer with a better tube in the v1. its like putting a cheap cable next to a george l cable its more clearer some!!! if your a tone slut like me it matters and for 30 a tube thats ok with me:1:
 
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Howdy,

I'm a NOS kind of guy. That assessement has changed a bit with my new Dr. Z Carmen Ghia. It shipped with JJ El84s, a NOS Sylvania 5Y3, a NOS 5751 and a JJ 12ax7. After experimenting with various NOS replacements for everything except the power tubes, I concluded that Dr. Z knows what he's doing; the stock tubes sound better than anything else I've got, tube-wise.

Eggman
 
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Well I actually like the Tung-Sol a lot. It cleans up my amp and makes it less muffled sound. It added a natural presence to the amp that you can't get from turning up the presence and treble controls on your amp. It added gain a bit which I really didn't need because even for metal on my JVM I don't go past 9 o'clock on it. It also brightened up my clean channel it sounds really Fenderish now.

As for the JAN Philips 5751 in the PI it didn't seem to do that much. The Tung-Sol/JJ comparison in V1 was really no comparison. Right away a difference in clarity was easily noticed, but for the PI I had to go back and forth a few times with the Philips 5751 and the JJ ECC83s. I ended up sticking with the 5751 in PI because it seemed to tighten up the sound a bit, a tad smoother, and a little clearer, but it still didn't do that big of a difference. I mainly put it in there because it was newer and PI's get beat up a lot and that I just bought it and it's a bit tighter so I might as well put it in there.

EDIT: Well I just broke the 5751 tube. Took it out and it was way hotter then I remember preamp tubes being so it burnt me so my natural reaction was to "drop the hot @$$ thing in my hand!!" so it cracked. I'm back to the JJ ECC83s in the PI.

Does anyone in here have a recommendation for a PI tube that will smooth out "or" tighten up a Marshall? Because I know nothing will probably do both.
 
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Well I just ordered 2 JAN GE 5751's anyways and I plan on using one in PI and if it doesn't tighten and smoothen it out I might try a 12AU7 or 12AT7.
 
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