New website... That start the problems !

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What the hell happened to the wiring diagrams page ?!? :11:

Who had the unfortunate idea to change what was perfect on the website ?!?

For the love of God, as was the back page or allow access to old version !

This new version is a thing of any web designer who has mental disorders !
 
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The wiring diagrams are still there, it's just everything has been updated. The only difference is you might have to zoom in from your browser to see everything as it appears they have shrunk a bit. Maybe I just aged 40 years in the last month :dunno:
 
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LtKojak said:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/wiring-diagrams

Tudo bom! ;)
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I don't think he was needing to find the diagrams as much as the way the work now is a hideous disaster. Instead of picking from a list - one click; now you are faced with a puzzle - multiple drop downs that if you guess the right combination will finally yield your blessed wiring diagram, that is too small to read even when you zoom in.

For example, I wanted to find a 3-hum Les Paul type wiring. So I have to first choose 3 pickups. Ok. Next I have to choose the neck pickup - 1 hum. Ok. Next I choose the middle pickup. What? There is only a single or a Phat Cat??? What a waste of time trying to figure out what diagrams they actually have, one drop down at a time.
 
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Yeah, I was looking up a the diagram for coil splitting for humbuckers yesterday and it took me forever to find it. I can't really see the way they have it organized now being useful for anybody. They should organize it more like their pickup pages. In other words, have a default view that shows a link to every diagram. Then have options on the size to filter it if you want so just see things that involve bass pickups, or humbuckers, or PRAIL's, etc... It would be more consistent with the rest of the site, people who knew what they want, could easily find it and people that need more guidance could still get it. I'm completely against a setup like the current page that, by default, hides everything from someone who browses to it. Fortunately, if you dig around, you'll find all the same diagrams in there. Somewhere...
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Austin
 
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beaubrummels said:
I don't think he was needing to find the diagrams as much as the way the work now is a hideous disaster. Instead of picking from a list - one click; now you are faced with a puzzle - multiple drop downs that if you guess the right combination will finally yield your blessed wiring diagram, that is too small to read even when you zoom in.

For example, I wanted to find a 3-hum Les Paul type wiring. So I have to first choose 3 pickups. Ok. Next I have to choose the neck pickup - 1 hum. Ok. Next I choose the middle pickup. What? There is only a single or a Phat Cat??? What a waste of time trying to figure out what diagrams they actually have, one drop down at a time.
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I agree with this, I don't like the new diagram selection process at all either. The old way was a lot better.
 
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Hi,
What happened to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?". I always browse around the pickup lounge every night like right now, it is 1:45 AM. I have never seen anyone one this forum anyway ask for a different wiring page or ***** about one either.
1 more vote for what a mess, and also useless and too confusing. What was whoever thinking? Probably get a spanking for that comment, but I stick by it.
SJB
 
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Off topic,
But I I'd not know the word b*#~" was considered offensive. I hear it on tv, world news, etc. Wow.
SJB
 
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Words are just words. It is the intent that makes them offensive.

Unfortunately, automatic censorship of selected English words makes it impossible to discuss, for example, dog breeding and one of Miles' best-known albums.
 
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I imagine it is banned because it is probably used more commonly as an insult by people around here and not to discuss a great album or dog breeding. LMAO though, good points Funk!
 
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I've torn hair out over this for hours now.

The SD Wiring Diagrams, as they were, were an excellent resource...IMO the best online, by FAR.
They are, (or were) a credit to SD, in the spirit of offering open source info and represented the best and most useful product support in the business.
I used them all the time and directed many customers, friends, forum users, guitarists, everyone, to those diagrams.
They ARE product support for SD pickups and any other pickups an SD unit may have to interact with.
SD wiring diagrams are the reason Luthier & Electronic Tech types like me can buy SD with impunity and are busy soldering them in, not getting on the phone to SD asking for assistance.
Of course, those of us who are trained in Electronics can get by with our knowledge, but removal of the SD wiring diagrams, as they were, takes the "easy" out of pickup installation for every SD buyer with a soldering iron and leaves it in the hands of "guitar techs" everywhere.

Like someone already pointed it, it ain't broke, nobody requested a fix for it!
There is frustration over at DIY Audio forums, where I linked a co-member to diagrams, only to have them disappear.

I saw the value of the resource and had already tried to add them to the "Wayback Machine" some time ago, (lest they should ever disappear) but it did not work. SD's site's robots.txt or something, the archive was not supported there.
I swear I had laboriously saved them all manually, but I've just searched 2.5TB of my not very well organised HDD archives and cannot locate the SD Pickup Wiring PDFs in storage, or I would gladly post them elsewhere.

PLEASE, SD, Riley Giffin and Evan Skopp, anyone... please put the PDF creator for SD wiring diagrams back the way it was, or as requested here, at least give us PDF access to something we can read without the need for the Hubble telescope!

Oh man, I'm gonna go poke out my eyes with a soldering iron...:wrf:

Cheers.
 
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Two Thumbs down to the new "Wiring/Diagrams" section.

It seems that the R&D of this section was given to "self-proclaimed web designers", that not only had no clue whatsoever to "usability" and/or "GUI design", they obviously didn't get advice from any actual user, so the end result is a complete failure in every single aspect. The reason for CHANGING THE HI-RES PDFs OF THE PAST FOR LOW-RES JPGs is completely and absolutely beyond any logic. Only sheer ignorance of the matter at hand can produce such unusable results.

As I've seen similar things happening all over the globe, seems that the concept of "blind leading the blind" unfortunately is on a rampage everywhere. In the struggle of "knowledge vs. ignorance", ignorance is slowly but surely winning.

Sad, very sad times ahead... :(
 
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I gotta agree with most of you. The old system was way better.

The good folks at SD have designed new pups around our wishes. Maybe they'll bring back the old page too. ;)
 
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It's especially baffling given how much they improved (IMO) pretty much every other section of the new website. Still, they monitor this forum so hopefully our whining will lead them to reconsider the redesign of that section.
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Austin
 
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The thing is, this new site is based on a pre-made template (similar to DMZ, BTW), so the so-called "designers" just fill up the fictitious items with the SD ones. It's a solution used to keep the cost down, as requires no-qualified" personnel to operate it and there's no "design" involved. This design's focus is web-based sales.

The problem is, to change something on these kind of templates requires actual knowledge in programming and HTML5, so hiring qualified workforce for this defeats its very purpose... or, maybe, the "designers" just say it's just not possible to change anything, so they don't get asked twice about something that's probably feasible but doesn't get done.

I've been working with "self-proclaimed-web-designers" since 1998, so I think I qualify as "person of interest informed on the facts" so I can offer a "factual-based" opinion.

HTH,
 
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LtKojak said:
The thing is, this new site is based on a pre-made template (similar to DMZ, BTW), so the so-called "designers" just fill up the fictitious items with the SD ones. It's a solution used to keep the cost down.
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You make a good point. So here's an idea: I bet we have several qualified and experience web designers on board our forum. We've had forum-designed pickups. Why not a forum-designed webpage. Even if it coexisted side-by-side the new one.

Just a thought.
 
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The latest revision of the Wiring Diagrams resource is no more or less riddled with inaccuracies than the previous versions.

In my opinion, the cost of having somebody proof-read the diagrams must be less than the expense of replacing returned goods because the inaccurate wiring diagrams resulted in "failed" wiring assembly.
 
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ArtieToo said:
I bet we have several qualified and experience web designers on board our forum
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To come up with a "design", you first need to know what function the design must serve. A goal is needed. What info and in what form it's need to be conveyed is the base on which the whole design must be built-on. Then it must be divided in sections, and the same concept must be applied to each part, segment and section in a cohesive way.

Not an easy task, if you ask me. Specially when the head designer must have knowledge of musical gear and business background, plus a passion for guitar and all the paraphernalia associated with it, never forgetting that the ultimate goal doesn't end with the selling of a p'up, but ultimately the goal what you sell give inspiration the player/artist to create the music.

I'm going out on a limb and say that 80% of what I've just said was never taken into consideration by the people involved, as they didn't have any background knowledge on the matter to start with.

I'd really like to hear somebody from the Co. telling me I'm dead wrong on every count here...
 
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Exactly, but the forum has designed at least two or three production pups. Let the forum decide the design. Maybe it would be a link in the forum rather than on SD's main page. There would, of course, be a disclaimer: "This page was designed by forum members and may not represent the views of Seymour Duncan et al."

You know what I mean? :)
 
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