Next Trend in Amps?

[aleclee]

Re: Next Trend in Amps?

A built-in dynamic cab simulator placed between the power section and the speakers with balanced XLR out would be nice.

Why is that preferable to having one like a H&K Red Box outside the amp? I figure it would add $30-50 to the price of the amp and why would I want to pay that price multiple times, especially if I don't like the sound of a particular built-in unit.

It'd be also nice, if some amps had an adjustable clean boost right after the input.

Same question, different feature.

 

[Uncle Unborn]

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I would really like my next amp to have a cup-holder on the side of it :bigthumb:

And the ability to not smell smoke when bought from Ebay.

 

[kmcguitars]

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I think it would be interesting if someone could figure a way to interweave(Not ride on top) The signal of a true tube amp with a amp modeler. Amp modeler fall short for me because they lack the touch sensitivity and dynamics of a tube circuit. I know there has been a few attempts at marring a tube amp w/t modeling, But IMHO they haven't gotten it right yet.

 

[some_dude]

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I'd like to see more players using two 20 to 40 watt amps in stereo rather than one 40 to 80 watt amp. The sound is fabulous and surrounds the player and allows me to get the sustain associated with a cranked and distorted amp at a lower and cleaner sounding volume level.

Lew

I've been experimenting with that using a Rivera Pubster I picked up for practicing. Sounds killer, but it doesn't do modern high gain....

.....it's been making me consider using a Mesa 20:20 with my Recto Preamp.

 

[some_dude]

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Is that the newer Knucklehead Reverb? I didn't know it could store different EQ settings, I thought the switching only involved different modes/channels/etc. switching. I'm going to have to check one out then!

I'm pretty sure it does. It's been a long time since I last f*cked with one, so I can't remember the details.

 

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

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an amp with 3 channel. one channel with Crunchy like marshall, one channel with bass tightness like a triple recto, and another one like a soldano. for the HIghs.
with a switch that will mix all those three characteristics on a channel 4.
good?! ahahahahah Possible!?

 

[Peterku]

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Why is that preferable to having one like a H&K Red Box outside the amp? I figure it would add $30-50 to the price of the amp and why would I want to pay that price multiple times, especially if I don't like the sound of a particular built-in unit.

Hmmm... yeah, you're probably right. I was describing my own 'dreams', having one combo amp. I thought of a transparent boost like the EMG Afterburner, and a cab sim that's finetuned to match the sound of the amp's speaker(s). But with multiple amps and a more specific taste a range of stock extras might not be the best idea.

I think there's the same issue with EQ's as with the boost and cab sim I mentioned, even though we find it natural to use the stock 3-band EQ on our amps. I've tried several amps that didn't have the right EQ to match my guitar and the amp's natural timbre, according to my ears. Based on your post, I'd be glad to see an amp with a more flexible EQ system. The same issue with on-board spring reverb and other effects.

 

[Davey]

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as been said before, low wattage all tube amps with quality parts for around 400$ (head version). i'm not one to complicate, so if it's a two channel amp it's more than I would ever need

incorporate modeling nto tube amps. IMO, this is what we're going to see next.
vox is on the right path with the built in valve, but what i'd like to see is a tube power stage.


also. i dont think more lightweight is a good idea. as one of my high shool teachers used to say, if an amp isnt heavy, it's crap. and it's true. most of the weight take the transformers and if you make them more light weight, they're going to be very prone to break (todays marshalls for example). the transformers, however you look at it are the most valuable part of the amp and i for one dont want to see manufacturers skimp on that front.


to the one that proposed the computer power supply.. no man.. no way possible. under the normal operaion of a computers those things run HOT. they are also not very reliable and the transformers are tiny.

 

[shredaholic]

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An PTP amp with a good OT and good tubes should be relatively easy for me to mod to whatever I want anyway, so I'm not overly fussed what manufacturers bring out.

 

[V-Spot]

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Here's an idea. LOWER THE FSCKING PRICES FOR TUBE AMPS.

 

[aleclee]

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Here's an idea. LOWER THE FSCKING PRICES FOR TUBE AMPS.

There's a reason why non-sucky tube amps are pricey and it's not because the builders are rolling in cash. Have you ever priced out the parts for a tube amp? Throw in the cost of wages and you're only out rent, taxes, and utilities . . . assuming you're not actually interested in doing anything more than breaking even.

 

[Davey]

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the only thing pricy in an amp, is the transformer and tubes, but even that can be had for a fraction when you buy in bulk.

what is pricy is the work. you got to put it together and that is the thing that costs the most.

but i'd be damned if they cant find a way to make a good reliable tube amp for an amount of money, that will allow you to keep your kids

 

[Chi3f]

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+10000000000000000000 My 4x12 marshall cab doesnt have casters, there are gigs I gotta carry it up 2 flights of stairs or more! :smack:

you do realize you can get casters for cabs for less then $20 right?

 

[Jeff Seal]

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Well, let me throw this out there......

Innovation is still only pursued, by those willing to do such....but if anyone believes for two seconds that it's all been done, you would be wrong..(same as guitar playing) I'm one of the very few that still "explores" for the sake of manufacture. I have design's never seen or used before, and I'm rather proud of them. Example...(already outdated to me, but still never done by anyone else)

Since the onset of OD occurs when the signal is squared, usually by the use of a cathode follower which reverses the phase, approaching design as incorporating the linear squaring of the signal past the point of OD is quite feasible. But it requires the understanding that the signal waveform will initially clip only on the plate or + section of the signal..(thus the not too popular SF fender OD..) If the plate voltage is compensated at a rate 100x that of the cathode, natural and perfect squaring will occur...because the operational window of the tube is perpetually and proportionally getting smaller. This way the use of cathode bypass caps (not feasible with the Cathode follwer circuit) can be utilized to their fullest extent.

So...diy'ers build the following.....

voltage rail - 325v

V1 a - standard 100k plate resistor, 1k cathode (coupling cap to taste) 1m gain control
V1 b - 220k plate resistor, 2.2k cathode .022 coupling 470k/220k voltage divider
V2 a - 470k plate resistor, 4.7k cathode .022 coupling 470k/470k voltage divider
V2 b - 1 meg plate, 10k cathode, plate to tone stack....

all in standard "sequential" order...(monitor coupling cap output for reference)

Ever seen this done?.....didn't think so... Gain wise around Mesa level's and fully feasible in any amp having 2 12ax7's in the preamp section. Basically it's just an "amp" that proportionally OD's...

I am a firm believer that newer amps will soon reflect the renewed interest in "new design's"......we won't even discuss "options".....:smokin:

Jeff Seal

 

[Scott_F]

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The above post shows why Jeff is a killer tech and I'm just putting together puzzles!

 

[Jeff Seal]

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The above post shows why Jeff is a killer tech and I'm just putting together puzzles!

Yeah, but you make killer puzzles!!!!!

JS

 

[V!N]

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So...diy'ers build the following.....

<snip>

Oh yes, I will !

But I think I need a few more pointers from you, I've send you a mail. :reporter:

 

[ratherdashing]

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There is no room for innovation when it comes to tube amps. Anything that can be done has been done by this point.

Modellers, however, are the opposite. We are finally reaching a point where a software-based amp is a reasonable alternative to the ancient technology found in tube amps, but there is still a lot of room for improvement. The good news is it's very easy to improve modellers: improve the processing power of the hardware, and improve the software to use up that power. As better CPU's become available, the hardware will improve, thus allowing the software to crank out a better, more responsive guitar sound. In a few years, Line6's hardware will probably be more powerful than the computer you're reading this on - and of course much cheaper.

One day we will reach a point where modellers overtake tube amps as the best option for guitarists. It is inevitable - the question is simply when.

 

[Davey]

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if you ask me, they got a long way to go.

they can be tweaked to sound like tube amps (like lew said.. or whoever said it)
on recordings you wont tell a diference, but they dont feel like a tube amp.

once they go past that, modelers are going to have a much wider fanbase

 

[V!N]

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If the sound gets lost in the in a band situation, it's worthless to me .. This applies to some tube amps, quite a few transistoramps and most of every modelingamp.

The digital stuff sure can be fun or handy for playing in your bedroom or making recordings to share ideas with the rest of the band, but it has a very long way to go indeed.
Too long for me to justify spending any money on toys like that right now or within the near future.