NGD RG470MSP

[Ashurbanipal]

Don't start about Floyd noobs, ha... These days there's so much info out there about how to set one up there's no cause not to be able to do it.

I don't know, when I got my first (floating) Floyded guitar, it wasn't that difficult getting it to do what I wanted. If you keep the same tuning and string gauge, and change one string at a time, it's basically set and forget. I've rarely broken strings, and in such a scenario usually at the saddle, in which case I'd have enough wraps on the tuner so I could unwind some and keep going .

While the extreme whamming days are behind me, I enjoy Floyds for the fact that tuning amounts to tweaking the fine tuners. I guess with a Jazzmaster, the low break angle between the bridge and tailpiece means tuning hell/strings popping off the saddles if you don't use anything less than 12s or something. Red Special trem/tailpiece seems to be a much better design of this type.

 

[Mincer]

the model numbers are easy once you get your head around it
RG= the guitar series
4 = the trim level , lets you know what pickups it comes with( they have 2 , 3 , 5 etc with better pickups)
the 70 means its non pick guard and this usually has sparkle finish
the MSP = whatever that color is + sparkle

one guy I knew had a SR570BSP I think
it was an SR bass
had the 500 series pickups
70 was a solid color
BSP = black sparkle finish

I had and RG4EXFM1
which was
RG with the INF pickups EXclusive to Guitar Center Flame maple top Blue(1)

my RG2EX1
RG with Vseries pickups,EX clusive to Guitar Center blue (1)

I love the RGs and my RG4 with the Edge III trem is probably still in tune right now
once the strings settle in
it will be in tune each time you pick it up
if it hangs up when you pull up on it
just get in the habit of muting the strings and dive it a bit
before you start to play again

Explained like that, it makes sense. But I will keep referring back to this post because I will never remember it.

 

[FuseG4]

after years of the jazzmaster bridge i see exactly why j mascis jazzmaster has the TOM bridge and humbuckers
For years it didn't bother me cuz the jm wasn't my only axe but it's amazing how being limited in choices can change your perspective and help you figure out where you wanna go.

 

[Ashurbanipal]

Yeah, I remember that one. There's also one with a TOM and normal JM tailpiece; I wonder how that works, would've expected a Wilko roller type bridge.

Those Mastery bridges (and tailpieces), which are designed to mitigate the main issues JMs have look like nicely machined pieces of kit.

Well, you don't have to worry about that anymore, as you've Floyded up!

 

[Aceman]

I am Green Sparkle with envy!

 

[FuseG4]

Yeah, I remember that one. There's also one with a TOM and normal JM tailpiece; I wonder how that works, would've expected a Wilko roller type bridge.

Those Mastery bridges (and tailpieces), which are designed to mitigate the main issues JMs have look like nicely machined pieces of kit.

Well, you don't have to worry about that anymore, as you've Floyded up!

Instead of a new guitar I almost went with doing as many upgrades as possible to the jazzmaster to get it to be a more everyday player but wow a mastery and noiseless pickups are expensive! Putting together a nice wiring kit is not cheap either, and it ought to get a new nut of it's getting all that. It quickly becomes as much as a new guitar and so I figured... Jazzmaster works it's just kinda a pain, so just like it for what it does and get something that gets you into new music and playing

 

[Top-L]

Yes getting the strings stretched out took some doing, was surprised. Wonder how many noobs send back guitars or write bad reviews before putting in the effort
but that's a big reason I went locking trem
Jazzmaster bridge moves around too much if you float it in the middle and use light strings and it's like gotta tune so often
I just wanna play and practice ffs haha

Back in the 90s, stretching the strings was the one variable I didn't figure out until 5+ years of playing.

It was the kind of thing that after I played it over the first couple weeks, I noticed that it would stay in tune better. Didn't know if you pre-stretched the strings it would be good from the start.

Other variables: Loose screws. Neck screws, nut screws, intonation screws. Saddles not fully tightened.

Then there is less frequent problems like loose posts (just pull and glue the inserts with wood glue.) And dull knife edges (file and lube). And worn posts (pull and replace.)

I think I found most of the tech information on Ibanez Rules.

 

[Ashurbanipal]

^^ Rich is a bona fide guru when it comes to setting up a guitar. Anyone who uses Chapstick probably got it from him!

Instead of a new guitar I almost went with doing as many upgrades as possible to the jazzmaster to get it to be a more everyday player but wow a mastery and noiseless pickups are expensive! Putting together a nice wiring kit is not cheap either, and it ought to get a new nut of it's getting all that. It quickly becomes as much as a new guitar and so I figured... Jazzmaster works it's just kinda a pain, so just like it for what it does and get something that gets you into new music and playing

I understand. Ultimately, if it's worth it to you, then it's worth it, but having some very different guitars is never a bad thing ; a shredder has a place in the stable, beside Strats, Teles, LPs and so on. Those wiring kits like Mojotone and so on look pretty nice, almost art!

Jazzmasters do have their own sound – like a Rickenbacker or a Danelectro, you gotta get one to get the specific tones/vibes. Those low output, plunky/throaty sounding pickups + some overdrive sounds killer. I like Larkin Poe a lot – awesome use of JM –, and I notice Rebecca's Jazzmaster is modded with a Wilkinson roller bridge and that bar between the bridge and tailpiece to increase the break angle.

 

[Juanhanglo]

the model numbers are easy once you get your head around it
RG= the guitar series
4 = the trim level , lets you know what pickups it comes with( they have 2 , 3 , 5 etc with better pickups)
the 70 means its non pick guard and this usually has sparkle finish
the MSP = whatever that color is + sparkle

one guy I knew had a SR570BSP I think
it was an SR bass
had the 500 series pickups
70 was a solid color
BSP = black sparkle finish

I had and RG4EXFM1
which was
RG with the INF pickups EXclusive to Guitar Center Flame maple top Blue(1)

my RG2EX1
RG with Vseries pickups,EX clusive to Guitar Center blue (1)

I love the RGs and my RG4 with the Edge III trem is probably still in tune right now
once the strings settle in
it will be in tune each time you pick it up
if it hangs up when you pull up on it
just get in the habit of muting the strings and dive it a bit
before you start to play again

Close!

First letters are series

First number is line (4 series and down are budget, 5 is the regular line and the 7 series is the deluxe)

The next 2 numbers describe pickup configuration..

20 is HH
21 Is HH hardtail
50 is hsh w/pickguard
60 is hss
65 is HS
70 is HSH w/no pickguard

They sometimes add a 7 up front with 4 digits. These are usually 7 strings.

Any number ending in 1 is a hardtail


The first letters immediately after the numthese denote options.
m is maple fretboard
Pb is poplar but
z usually means active electronics
etc..

The last set of letters denotes color..


So,, an rg470 msptsp and an rg421 msptsp translate as follows:

Rg470 msp tsp:
rg series.
4 series (budget line)
​​​​​70 HSH
M maple
sp = ?? Binding option?
tsp- turquoise sparkle (the new pink sparkle 421 is PSP)

Rg421 msp tsp
Rg
4 series
2 HH
1 hardtail
M maple board
Sp??
Tsp - color


The crazier the options like ss frets, figured tops, multipiece necks painted headstocks, etc make the suffixes really long

 

[FuseG4]

I'm gonna guess sp is sparklezz and it's redundant given the finish designations but I could be wrong!

In a way I like the model names of ibanez a lot. Unpretentious. A telecaster doesn't necessarily get you on TV and stratocasters spend most of their time in the troposphere, Les Paul well that's just two first names.
RG470MSP sounds purposeful at least, if boring This is my RG470 there are many like it but this one is mine

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[FuseG4]

^^ Rich is a bona fide guru when it comes to setting up a guitar. Anyone who uses Chapstick probably got it from him!



I understand. Ultimately, if it's worth it to you, then it's worth it, but having some very different guitars is never a bad thing ; a shredder has a place in the stable, beside Strats, Teles, LPs and so on. Those wiring kits like Mojotone and so on look pretty nice, almost art!

Jazzmasters do have their own sound – like a Rickenbacker or a Danelectro, you gotta get one to get the specific tones/vibes. Those low output, plunky/throaty sounding pickups + some overdrive sounds killer. I like Larkin Poe a lot – awesome use of JM –, and I notice Rebecca's Jazzmaster is modded with a Wilkinson roller bridge and that bar between the bridge and tailpiece to increase the break angle.

Ah yeah a buzzstop and roller bridge would be sweet!
and yeah the jazzmaster is way cool for being it's own thing and I love that you can summon the full jangle with the 1meg pots on full but backed off even just a little takes a lot of the edge out and sounds more normal fender. you can approximate tele sounds but they are smoother and bouncier, and the neck pickup is kinda stratty.
the rhythm circuit is a jazz sound that I wish got more popular. Little dull but still sweet. Kinda like a nice tele neck pickup but not too weak

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Z denotes Edge Zero trem not active electronics, wtf?!

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[FuseG4]

Low e string snapped at the bridge and the music shops are all closed on Sunday can't buy new strings I pulled the bar back pretty good there.

otherwise man I been having a good time with this
wish I had a closed back cab, open back all wrong for 80s riffs!

 

[JamesPaul]

Low e string snapped at the bridge and the music shops are all closed on Sunday can't buy new strings I pulled the bar back pretty good there.

otherwise man I been having a good time with this
wish I had a closed back cab, open back all wrong for 80s riffs!

I saw this in post #21 in this topic. Is there enough string on the tuner post that you can unlock the nut, unwind enough to feed the broken string back down to the Floyd and clamp it in? If there is, it might get you through until Monday.

 

[FuseG4]

There's three winds on yonder tuning post so maybe! but the end of the string frayed a bit at the broken section so I'll at least give it a shot lol
could rob the string from the jazzmaster but that's like rude to jazzmaster chan...

 

[JamesPaul]

I'd just snip the frayed part off to avoid it slipping. It shouldn't take much unwinding to reach the clamp.

 

[FuseG4]

I'd just snip the frayed part off​​​​​​ to avoid it slipping. It shouldn't take much unwinding to reach the clamp.

Bro it totally worked
+100 "Likes":burnout: :beerchug::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb:​​​​​​

 

[JamesPaul]

Bro it totally worked
+100 "Likes":burnout: :beerchug::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb:​​​​​​

Very cool!!!

Thanks to Ashurbanipal who posted it earlier. I'm a 37 year Kahler player and 13 month Floyd Rose player, so I'm trying to take in all the Floyd knowledge I can. I am glad I remembered this.

This is also another positive for my Floyd as my Kahlers rely on the ball end of the strings to lock into the bridge.

 

[Ashurbanipal]

Yeah, crazy pull-ups will do it .

I've been adding extra wraps on the tuners for this reason for as long as I can remember. It's better than putting on a new string, imo, which then sounds too new compared to the others.

 

[FuseG4]

Playing with the action, Turns out about 1.6 mm high e it's where I like it and a touch higher on the low side At about 1.4mm I defs notice some high frets (my 21st fret becomes my 22nd fret lol) and some choking on some bends way up there but 1.6 on the high side seems pretty sweet.

$449 guitar right from the factory, I think they did pretty good on the frets!



How do you get that silky mirror polish thing on the frets is that steel wool

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