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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
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No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
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Gearjoneser
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
DiMarzio doesn't have a forum? Well heck, that tells ya all you need to know!
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DiMarzio doesn't have a forum? Well heck, that tells ya all you need to know!
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
I really think people are being kinda silly when they say I've only played duncans, nothing else. I wont play anything else because duncans sound the best. :dunno: How the hell are you gonna know what ya like if you only play the same damn thing. Sure Duncans are great, especially after you put em in for a cheap stock pup. But for those of you who haven't really done nothing but duncans, how do you know duncans are the only good when the only bad you played is stock :butkick:
I really think people are being kinda silly when they say I've only played duncans, nothing else. I wont play anything else because duncans sound the best. :dunno: How the hell are you gonna know what ya like if you only play the same damn thing. Sure Duncans are great, especially after you put em in for a cheap stock pup. But for those of you who haven't really done nothing but duncans, how do you know duncans are the only good when the only bad you played is stock :butkick:
Truthsayer
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
I have one Strat type guitar with Duncans and another with DiMarzios. They sound as different as night and day but they both sound great.
I have one Les Paul type guitar with a DiMarzio Super Distortion/PAF-Pro combo and another with a JB/Jazz combo. They sound different, but they both sound fantastic.
This is a silly argument. Like arguing whether you should crack an egg on the big end or the little end. Both pickup companies have legions of satisfied customers. They must both be doing something right.
I have one Strat type guitar with Duncans and another with DiMarzios. They sound as different as night and day but they both sound great.
I have one Les Paul type guitar with a DiMarzio Super Distortion/PAF-Pro combo and another with a JB/Jazz combo. They sound different, but they both sound fantastic.
This is a silly argument. Like arguing whether you should crack an egg on the big end or the little end. Both pickup companies have legions of satisfied customers. They must both be doing something right.
point_taker
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
Well, I have to admit that I only use Duncans because of this Forum.
I am yet to try all pups in the Duncan catalogue, but the ones I own were all kind of 'tested' by chats with forum users, including my LP combo (59/C5b) which was advised by almighty Robert S back in 2002.
So, what I mean is, I am VERY familiar with all the pups in the Duncan line and if I want a certain tone or need to try one, I don't need to search through thousands of posts in this forum to know how the JB sounds like. First, I know artists using it and second, I know top to bottom all types of description one can make about the JB. So I just combine the commom descriptions and have pretty much a portrait of the JB, as subjective as it is.
Having said that, how can I buy a Breed, a Tone Zone or an Air Norton if I have absolutely NO IDEA what tone will they give me? I am not familiar with those pups and of course I won't know more about them by just seeing their specs. I can read some specs (thanks to this forum too) but what about the player who doesn't? Also, at least we have the TONE WIZARD in this site, whereas in DiMarzio site you only see them bragging about who uses DiMarzios. To me, it is much more important to know that Butch Snyder, Robert S., Jolly and cia uses Duncan than, say, Slash or anyone else famous.
So, this forum is a huge contributor to people who want to use Duncans and have no idea where to begin. And help people who already know ****loads about Duncan but want to have that slight change of tone that only a magnet swap will do.
Duncan absolutely rulz and I have no intention in using any DiMarzio in the near future, ESPECIALLY because they stole the double cream bobbins idea, which is unforgivable.
Dan
Well, I have to admit that I only use Duncans because of this Forum.
I am yet to try all pups in the Duncan catalogue, but the ones I own were all kind of 'tested' by chats with forum users, including my LP combo (59/C5b) which was advised by almighty Robert S back in 2002.
So, what I mean is, I am VERY familiar with all the pups in the Duncan line and if I want a certain tone or need to try one, I don't need to search through thousands of posts in this forum to know how the JB sounds like. First, I know artists using it and second, I know top to bottom all types of description one can make about the JB. So I just combine the commom descriptions and have pretty much a portrait of the JB, as subjective as it is.
Having said that, how can I buy a Breed, a Tone Zone or an Air Norton if I have absolutely NO IDEA what tone will they give me? I am not familiar with those pups and of course I won't know more about them by just seeing their specs. I can read some specs (thanks to this forum too) but what about the player who doesn't? Also, at least we have the TONE WIZARD in this site, whereas in DiMarzio site you only see them bragging about who uses DiMarzios. To me, it is much more important to know that Butch Snyder, Robert S., Jolly and cia uses Duncan than, say, Slash or anyone else famous.
So, this forum is a huge contributor to people who want to use Duncans and have no idea where to begin. And help people who already know ****loads about Duncan but want to have that slight change of tone that only a magnet swap will do.
Duncan absolutely rulz and I have no intention in using any DiMarzio in the near future, ESPECIALLY because they stole the double cream bobbins idea, which is unforgivable.
Dan
Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
I find Dimarzios to sound almost EXACTLY like their descriptions UNLIKE Ducans. Also, Duncans tone chart is kind of weak compared to the stats on the Dimarzios.
Double cream is an ugly color anyway but I still have love for both companies.
I find Dimarzios to sound almost EXACTLY like their descriptions UNLIKE Ducans. Also, Duncans tone chart is kind of weak compared to the stats on the Dimarzios.
Double cream is an ugly color anyway but I still have love for both companies.
WARRENLEELYNCH
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
i do agree that dimarzio's chart is pretty much dead on and also i like the fact the say IF you already own one model of thiers,thier chart allows you to get a real good idea of what another model of thiers will sound like,for instance take the air zone and breed bridge model for just one example
the chart shows that the breed will have a touch more output but less bass and more mids.
or if you like the output of the air zone but dont want the mega boosted mids and bass the breed neck is perfect it has the same output as a AZ with less bass and mids,
yeah you can use a breed neck in the bridge spot just as a air norton which is generally used in the neck can be used in the bridge.
ranalli said:
i do agree that dimarzio's chart is pretty much dead on and also i like the fact the say IF you already own one model of thiers,thier chart allows you to get a real good idea of what another model of thiers will sound like,for instance take the air zone and breed bridge model for just one example
the chart shows that the breed will have a touch more output but less bass and more mids.
or if you like the output of the air zone but dont want the mega boosted mids and bass the breed neck is perfect it has the same output as a AZ with less bass and mids,
yeah you can use a breed neck in the bridge spot just as a air norton which is generally used in the neck can be used in the bridge.
fab.regnaut
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
Another opinion:
I tried Tone Zone and i sounded very compressed , fuzzy and that is still a medium ouput Dimarzio so i can imagine how are the ceramics , to compare the Tone Zone is a tad more powerfull than a JB , so it appears that most of the Dimarzio have powerfull ouput , but that doesnt mean that they are loud !!! Because loud pickups have low ouput and big attack .
Another thing is Dimarzio have very small basses , that why people say they are more precise ( bassy pickup usually = muddy distortion ) even Tone Zone the Big bottom Dimarzio guy have not much more basses that the JB witch is treeble-midd boosted .
And i tried the Humbucker from Hell , and the distortion is still fuzzy.
And one of my fave guitarist M.Romeo has a fuzzy sound i don't like .
And what i like with Duncan is :
they make different model bridge/neck
you have a much more natural attack that makes you recognise it is a guitar
but even then to find the right one is not easy ( didn't like ceramics harsh treeble , some models are mushy under high gain )
BUT i found my sound now with Duncan .
Another opinion:
I tried Tone Zone and i sounded very compressed , fuzzy and that is still a medium ouput Dimarzio so i can imagine how are the ceramics , to compare the Tone Zone is a tad more powerfull than a JB , so it appears that most of the Dimarzio have powerfull ouput , but that doesnt mean that they are loud !!! Because loud pickups have low ouput and big attack .
Another thing is Dimarzio have very small basses , that why people say they are more precise ( bassy pickup usually = muddy distortion ) even Tone Zone the Big bottom Dimarzio guy have not much more basses that the JB witch is treeble-midd boosted .
And i tried the Humbucker from Hell , and the distortion is still fuzzy.
And one of my fave guitarist M.Romeo has a fuzzy sound i don't like .
And what i like with Duncan is :
they make different model bridge/neck
you have a much more natural attack that makes you recognise it is a guitar
but even then to find the right one is not easy ( didn't like ceramics harsh treeble , some models are mushy under high gain )
BUT i found my sound now with Duncan .
Blue Dream
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
My advice for those who want to learn about Dimarzio's is to hang out at the jemsite forum. Yes there will be an Ibanez, Dimarzio, Vai, Carvin Legacy etc... bias, but there's a ton of knowlegable people. The site is heavily moderated so no flame wars and you can mention Duncans or Gibsons without being attacked. The atmosphere is much like here and I enjoy both forums equally.
I also learned about Duncans here which led to me getting a PG and Blues Trembucker for my Ibanez JS. After playing Evolutions, Breeds, Paf Pros and Fred, I find the Duncans more natural sounding, now I'm changing all my guitars over to Duncans.
My advice for those who want to learn about Dimarzio's is to hang out at the jemsite forum. Yes there will be an Ibanez, Dimarzio, Vai, Carvin Legacy etc... bias, but there's a ton of knowlegable people. The site is heavily moderated so no flame wars and you can mention Duncans or Gibsons without being attacked. The atmosphere is much like here and I enjoy both forums equally.
I also learned about Duncans here which led to me getting a PG and Blues Trembucker for my Ibanez JS. After playing Evolutions, Breeds, Paf Pros and Fred, I find the Duncans more natural sounding, now I'm changing all my guitars over to Duncans.
Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
ive used lots of dimarzios. super distortion, super 2, super 3, fred, hfh, paf pro, hs2, hs3, tone zone, air zone, air classic, norton, air norton, steves special, sds-1, fs1, blue velvets and a bunch of others. right now the only ones im using are the fs1, sds1, and a pair of virtual2's. i like dimarzio single coils more than i like most of their buckers at least for my style
ive used lots of dimarzios. super distortion, super 2, super 3, fred, hfh, paf pro, hs2, hs3, tone zone, air zone, air classic, norton, air norton, steves special, sds-1, fs1, blue velvets and a bunch of others. right now the only ones im using are the fs1, sds1, and a pair of virtual2's. i like dimarzio single coils more than i like most of their buckers at least for my style
WARRENLEELYNCH
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
it really does come down to what you as a player like the best,look at all the guys who play EMG's,for my style the do not work. i feel the duncan custom has the perfect blend of output,drive,warmth. but many try it and say it is harsh??? its all in the OPINION. are duncans better than dimarzio? well that DEPENDS on who you ask!
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I think jeremy said it best " for my style"jeremy said:
it really does come down to what you as a player like the best,look at all the guys who play EMG's,for my style the do not work. i feel the duncan custom has the perfect blend of output,drive,warmth. but many try it and say it is harsh??? its all in the OPINION. are duncans better than dimarzio? well that DEPENDS on who you ask!
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WARRENLEELYNCH
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
Duncan antiquities are the ONLY onespapersoul said:
Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
I pulled a diMarzio out of my Ibanez RG and put in a chinese-made Duncan Desgiend (actually Duncna performer) Buckshot. Here's what I noticed, in terms of construction.
Asian Duncan - polycarbonate bobbin
diMarzio - high impact styrene - very cheap looking and scratches easy
Asian Duncan - differnet bobbins for the screw side and the stud side
diMario - same bobbin used on both sides -- saves tooling costs, plus they use cheap allen screws
Asian Duncan - bent leg nickle bottom plate, just like a USA made Duncan
diMarzio - flat brass - cheaper to make, but messes with magnetism
Tone - about the same, but neither as good as a Seymour Duncan
I should pull them both apart -- i bet the Asian Duncan superiorty continues benaeth the surfact too
And then there's the whole double cream thing -- i would NEVER support a company that does that. Sign the petition if you haven't already
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?Dimarzio
- JGZ
ranalli said:
I pulled a diMarzio out of my Ibanez RG and put in a chinese-made Duncan Desgiend (actually Duncna performer) Buckshot. Here's what I noticed, in terms of construction.
Asian Duncan - polycarbonate bobbin
diMarzio - high impact styrene - very cheap looking and scratches easy
Asian Duncan - differnet bobbins for the screw side and the stud side
diMario - same bobbin used on both sides -- saves tooling costs, plus they use cheap allen screws
Asian Duncan - bent leg nickle bottom plate, just like a USA made Duncan
diMarzio - flat brass - cheaper to make, but messes with magnetism
Tone - about the same, but neither as good as a Seymour Duncan
I should pull them both apart -- i bet the Asian Duncan superiorty continues benaeth the surfact too
And then there's the whole double cream thing -- i would NEVER support a company that does that. Sign the petition if you haven't already
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?Dimarzio
- JGZ
Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
I don't find it cheap looking at all....that's IYO...
That's not for every dimarzio and they do that for a reason of sound probably and I've never heard of allen head screws being any cheaper or less effective than the regular screws.
Might mess with magnetism but I dont' know for sure....this is the only one that Duncan might win on.
THis is where you really lost credibility.....this is laughable because tone is so subjective and there are a ton of different Dimarzios out there.
Uh oh....sounds like you were biased to begin with.....
Oh, that's right...you were biased to begin with.....
Please....this is all COMPLETE BS. I have never heard of a pickups suddenly dying out of nowhere regardless of what brand they are....cheap components...laughable.
Jack Z said:
I don't find it cheap looking at all....that's IYO...
That's not for every dimarzio and they do that for a reason of sound probably and I've never heard of allen head screws being any cheaper or less effective than the regular screws.
Might mess with magnetism but I dont' know for sure....this is the only one that Duncan might win on.
THis is where you really lost credibility.....this is laughable because tone is so subjective and there are a ton of different Dimarzios out there.
Uh oh....sounds like you were biased to begin with.....
Oh, that's right...you were biased to begin with.....
Please....this is all COMPLETE BS. I have never heard of a pickups suddenly dying out of nowhere regardless of what brand they are....cheap components...laughable.
strat_master
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
Both are obviously good pick up companies as they both are sticking around for a LONG TIME. BUT yes, i find that duncans tend to be mroe vintage oriented and have a mroe4 classic type of tone, while the dimarzios tedn to be very modern.....i liek duncans more i dont thikn ill ever buy a dimarzio as im just not into that kidna of tone. The same goes for brands such as EMG...great pikc ups but not for me, too modern once again. I think i just like that classic rock type tone and that will always be me.
Both are obviously good pick up companies as they both are sticking around for a LONG TIME. BUT yes, i find that duncans tend to be mroe vintage oriented and have a mroe4 classic type of tone, while the dimarzios tedn to be very modern.....i liek duncans more i dont thikn ill ever buy a dimarzio as im just not into that kidna of tone. The same goes for brands such as EMG...great pikc ups but not for me, too modern once again. I think i just like that classic rock type tone and that will always be me.
strat_master
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Re: No biased opinions! are duncans just better than dimarzio's?
PLUS they took the double cream thing.....thats selfish! hahaha but realy i liek black pick ups anyways! haha ONe last thing....... i find dunacns tend to be mroe closer to the vintage styled pick ups lmade by gibsona nd fender but onyl better versions of what they have. if that makes any sense
PLUS they took the double cream thing.....thats selfish! hahaha but realy i liek black pick ups anyways! haha ONe last thing....... i find dunacns tend to be mroe closer to the vintage styled pick ups lmade by gibsona nd fender but onyl better versions of what they have. if that makes any sense
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