NO MIDS!!! ABSOLUTELY FRACKING NONE!

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I like some clarity and definition, roar is also good. Honk is not something that I really want.

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I like mids, and lows and highs, and everything between. But I guess some people live on the edge(s).
 
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This is my settings at the moment and it’s pretty close to magic, will sometimes fiddle with the bass and treble but never drastically.
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For a long time the Gallien-Krueger 250 ml was the supreme mid scooped amp. Guitar Institute of Technology had all their students cranking the bass and treble while neutering the mids to approx 9am (still not zero) on a 4band eq.

That amp had better mid definition set like that than my current Fender Blues DeVille has with mids set at 9 out of 12. Some amps are better at mids regardless what the dials say. Set tone with your ears, not your prejudiced idea of what works.

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+1

If you've ever played a Mesa Mark II or Mark III, you'll know that those amps have a ton of mids when you only use the EQ knobs. They're essentially designed to do the Santana singing lead sound which requires a ton of midrange to sustain and cut. In order for chords to not turn into a muddy mess, Metallica used the graphic eq to scoop out the extra mids. John Petrucci from Dream Theater used his Mark series amps similarly. The amp was set to 'EQ Auto' which automatically engages the graphic EQ (with the infamous V setting) when on the lead channel for JP's primary rhythm sound. When he needed to play lead he simply switched the EQ off; the amp had plenty of gain so he merely needed the extra mids and volume to cut through.

The one album where Metallica actually had a completely mid-scooped guitar sound was AJFA, and numerous sources have said that they did so in order to bury the bass; essentially hazing Jason Newsted. Objectively speaking that album sounds horrible; in a recent interview one of the guys who mixed the record stated that he nearly quit the project after Lars insisted on that guitar and drum sound. If you look on youtube it's possible to find the album remixed with proper guitar EQ and audible bass and it sounds indescribably better.
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+2. Most of the mids that were scooped on those amps were narrow band specific on the geq, mostly the squaky 800hz band, they didn’t scoop mids in general which is completely different. You have to do that on the Mesa Mark amps to get them to sound like a normal amp. John pettrucci also dials our that particular frequency on his marks too, and he is not missing any mids at all. Most other amps that use the typical marshal tone stack placement and similar values (Marshall’s soldano’s rectos the list is endless) already have a wide 8db or more mid band loss do to how passive eq controls even work, so dialing it back further just neuters the tone. Most people who liked that mop sound read that metalica did that to their marks and assumed every amp reacted the same. It was a big thing to do in the 90’s when I was growing up, and a lot of people had ****ty tone back then. All bees and butt. The worst is hearing it on a crate or Marshall valve state
 
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^^
It's so hard to convince that crowd that their tone is just flubby and buzzy.
Sort of like trying to convince someone that their 1800 watt subs in their car stereo "bumping" rap sound like crap because all the loose seams in the car are buzzing.

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LLL said:
While they're not absolutely necessary, they can help a guitar tone out and really make it sing and sustain... esp. for soloing.
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Edited for content... I agree.
 
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Demanic said:
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It's so hard to convince that crowd that their tone is just flubby and buzzy.
Sort of like trying to convince someone that their 1800 watt subs in their car stereo "bumping" rap sound like crap because all the loose seams in the car are buzzing.

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It depends on context, too.

Objectively, Dimebag Darrel's tone was terrible. However, for Pantera with THOSE songs it was perfect. I actually liked his tone less with the later stuff when he found the midrange knob and was using tube amps.
 
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GilmourD said:
It depends on context, too.

Objectively, Dimebag Darrel's tone was terrible. However, for Pantera with THOSE songs it was perfect. I actually liked his tone less with the later stuff when he found the midrange knob and was using tube amps.
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But even his early tone has more mids than one might think.
My friend has an old Randall RG120ES. If you run it clean, turn the mids all the way down on the amp, turn the bass and treble all the way up, then hit the front with a distortion pedal with the mids all the way down and the bass and treble all the way up, and the gain all the way up, you won't get Dime's early tone. Yet that's what some people think that you have to do.

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I hate mids. I mean, you have to have them but ack. I'd happily shoot them in the face or something, but you can't do that.

I guess I've learned to like having some mids in. I like the lower end of the midrange out, and keeping some upper mids to provide cut without honk. Too broad and punchy mids sound blah. Too scooped and sculpted in the mids sounds like a Rectifier and I don't like that. Did I mention I hate John Petrucci's tone?

It's an everyday struggle. I'd just like to have Metallica's tone on Load and be happy forever. It's Marshally and it doesn't sound scooped, but it kinda is, without being buzzy like other Metallica albums. I love it. My Les Paul kinda gets me there. No other guitar of mine does.

Getting the midrange right is a *****. But it's so worth it.
 
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I'm a big fan of Behemoth's tone from Demigod onward. Same sort of tone I usually strive to get no matter what gear it's on.
 
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I am never one to comment on someone else's tone. If it works for you knock yourself out. I would imagine most of you would hate being dialed in like Jack White who has sold millions of disks with his bees in a can tone.
 
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When I think of scooped mids, I think Metallica. Simply awful! The lead guitarist has never dialed-in a worthy lead tone, and his wah pedal antics only increases the misery. The drummer = Absolute disaster! My first Metallica experience was the "Kill' Em All" album... I was laughing because I thought it was a comedy recording, like a Cheech and Chong sort of thing, ya know? They made it big, I know, but I think they suck. A friend of ours had started a band around the same time called Death. The guitarist was a cool guy, but I just wasn't a fan of what they were doing. If given a the choice, I'd listen to his band before Metallica.
 
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When I think of scooped mids, I think Metallica. Simply awful! The lead guitarist has never dialed-in a worthy lead tone, and his wah pedal antics only increases the misery. The drummer = Absolute disaster! My first Metallica experience was the "Kill' Em All" album... I was laughing because I thought it was a comedy recording, like a Cheech and Chong sort of thing, ya know? They made it big, I know, but I think they suck. A friend of ours had started a band around the same time called Death. The guitarist was a cool guy, but I just wasn't a fan of what they were doing. If given a the choice, I'd listen to his band before Metallica.
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Death played my club decades ago. Really nice guys and a great sounding band.
 
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