Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

[Dabatross]

here is my chain setup...

wah 535q --- equalizer --- wylde overdrive --- noise suppressor --- amp

I have pretty much everything on full gain. When I turn the suppressor on reduction, it doesn't mute the sound all the way when I stop playing. I can still hear the hiss and the buzzing from the overdrive and gain. If I turn it on mute, it cuts the whole signal like it's supposed to. What I'm wondering is, do I need a Rocktron Hush unit to make the sound completely go away or am I doing something wrong here?

 

[teflondog]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

Your noise suppressor is doing its job by eliminating the noise from all your effects and guitar, but it doesn't stop the amp itself from hissing. I think that's quite normal especially if your amp is all tube and you have it cranked.

 

[Dabatross]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

i definitely dont have an all tube amp.. it's a solid state mg15 practice amp. i have the gain turned to full on it. that could possibly be causing the hissing. if i turn the gain down though, my sound isn't full anymore.

 

[ErikH]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

3 words..... Too Much Gain.

Back off the gain on the Wylde OD and it'll be able to cut it all out. The suppressor is only going to suppress what comes before it, not after. If the hiss is coming from your amp, the only thing you can do short of getting a better amp is turning down the gain. More gain = more noise.

 

[noth]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

Sounds like your high gain stage is generating most of the noise. If the amp is quiet when you turn your gain down (but Master still up), your output stage is quiet. Again, most of the noise comes from the high gain stage. Nothing you put in front of that (all the stomp boxes, etc), will kill that. You're dealing with the limitation of the amp design.

Noth

 

[zero element]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

I have a peavey ultra 60 and have that cranked up on the ultra channel and I have a Rocktron hush box in my loop. With the hush box turned off the feedback is horrible but once i turn it on its dead quiet until I play a note so the hush box might be what your looking for.

 

[larry_emder]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

Try it in the effects loop if possible?

 

[Dabatross]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

So you're saying that all the pedals are doing is amplifying the already hissing sound from the amp itself? I'm wondering what type of amp I should use to get high gain without the added hissing... or is that even possible? What i'm trying to achieve here is a high gain sound on a budget... that is I can't afford what the pros use. So my question is... will every amp have a hissing sound when turning up the gain?

 

[Dabatross]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

Another thing is that I do not have an effects loop on my amp at all. It has 2 channels, overdrive and clean. Through it on clean and there's no noise whatsoever... but as soon as you place overdrive pedals in front of the overdrive stage it brings out the hissing noise. Is the solution to have the suppressor in an effects loop? That would mean buying an entirely different amp which sucks.

 

[Dabatross]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

Also, is it possible to get a practice amp with an effects loop in it?

 

[zero element]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

So you're saying that all the pedals are doing is amplifying the already hissing sound from the amp itself? I'm wondering what type of amp I should use to get high gain without the added hissing... or is that even possible? What i'm trying to achieve here is a high gain sound on a budget... that is I can't afford what the pros use. So my question is... will every amp have a hissing sound when turning up the gain?

With gain cranked way up yeah amps will hiss but like I said before a rocktron hush box will eliminate any hiss at all and I have a high gain amp with a wah and a chorus then put the thresh hold all the way up and I can have my amp at 11 and their will be minimal hissing until a note is played.

 

[Dabatross]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

yeah zero but what if you dont have an effects loop

 

[ErikH]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

I have a peavey ultra 60 and have that cranked up on the ultra channel and I have a Rocktron hush box in my loop. With the hush box turned off the feedback is horrible but once i turn it on its dead quiet until I play a note so the hush box might be what your looking for.

Yours works because it's after the gain stages where most of the noise would be and is coming from in your case as well. The effects loop sits between the preamp and poweramp.

Try it in the effects loop if possible?

His amp doesn't have a loop. It's an MG15.

So you're saying that all the pedals are doing is amplifying the already hissing sound from the amp itself? I'm wondering what type of amp I should use to get high gain without the added hissing... or is that even possible? What i'm trying to achieve here is a high gain sound on a budget... that is I can't afford what the pros use. So my question is... will every amp have a hissing sound when turning up the gain?

It's not so much the pedals though tweaking the OD may help somewhat. The hiss you hear even with the suppressor on is from the amp. Just a better amp will help take care of that. The suppressor is doing its job for what comes before it, just not after.

You could take your gear to a shop and run through as many amps as you can until you find one that has less noise than the MG15. I have a feeling that won't be too hard to do. Those little amps are naturally noisy.

 

[ErikH]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

Another thing is that I do not have an effects loop on my amp at all. It has 2 channels, overdrive and clean. Through it on clean and there's no noise whatsoever... but as soon as you place overdrive pedals in front of the overdrive stage it brings out the hissing noise. Is the solution to have the suppressor in an effects loop? That would mean buying an entirely different amp which sucks.

Welcome to high gain hell. Sorry, but's the cold hard truth when it comes to this stuff. Your other solution is to back down on the gain.

 

[aleclee]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

The hiss you hear even with the suppressor on is from the amp.

The suppressor is doing its job for what comes before it, just not after.

And there you have it.

 

[baritone]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

First, you could d osome diagnostics to locate the largest contributor to the noise. If it is coming from a pedal, and if your noise suppressor is the Boss NS-2, you can put the guilty pedal in the loop of the NS-2 and make it like true bypass. If the amp is the biggest source of noise, your signal chain can stay the way it is, but you would have to turn down the amp's distortion. The option I would recommend would be to turn down the amp's gain and get a heavy distortion pedal. The Wylde OD is more appropriately used with a tube amp. For heavy distortion tones, check out the Boss Mega Distortion and the RockTron Zombie.

 

[34029324079]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

just get a high gain amp. if you want bedroom levels get a solid state modeling amp. if you want great headphone tone just get a PODxt; you can get a line 6 toneport for about $100. if you want crappy hissing plug a distortion pedal and a noise gate into a solid state amp. sorry, but thats just the way it is.

 

[marvar]

Re: Noise suppressor put in chain wrong?

3 words..... Too Much Gain.

A few more words-it's a solid state mg15 practice amp
I'm not trying to slag you here, but lots of gain with a SS MG is asking for lots of noise- heck, most MG's I've heard hum even when nothing is plugged into it.