"Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

[idsnowdog]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

Although not exactly on point I miss natural reverb. Producers used to try and use multiple mics and different locations to get room reverb and resonance. Today far to many bands are recording direct and the guitar just loses all character and ends up just big buzzy crap.

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

So am I to understand that re-amping means you plug your guitar into a splitter/direct box which is fed to a recording console where the signal is recorded undistorted? Then the signal is sent to alternate guitar amps in an effort to find the best fit for the mix? I would think that harmonics and resonance would suffer though?

 

[TheArchitect]

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So am I to understand that re-amping means you plug your guitar into a splitter/direct box which is fed to a recording console where the signal is recorded undistorted? Then the signal is sent to alternate guitar amps in an effort to find the best fit for the mix? I would think that harmonics and resonance would suffer though?

Thats how its done. If the proper impedance matching is done so the amp sees a high impedance input like it sees from an instrument and proper levels are used it does work pretty well.

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

Thats a great concept! Record with whatever your comfortable with and then perfect the sound during mixdown rather than making it a performance issue. It would also allow the musicians the option of using gear that they don't own but could be rented.

The only thing I find wrong with the concept is that it might sound artificial since the players performance might be geared towards what they are hearing when they record the track. So feedback, harmonics and resonance might be lost. Although you could overdub later with the prefered gear to reintroduce those dynamics.

 

[LesStrat]

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I'll try to clarify my point:

I do not suggest that there be a "blind bowing" to the vision of the producer or engineer.

I do not suggest that good musicians cannot find a good, usable tone in the studio.

I DO suggest that too many musicians really don't understand how THEY fit in a mix. Too often, I hear bands in which the members apparently do not listen to each other.

I know musicians that will ONLY have themselves in a monitor.:saeek: How do you know what to play if you don't know what the others are doing? This is fine if you only play "programmatic" or prearranged music with no deviations. But it remains a problem with VOLUME if you are unaware that the others are changing.

What I am saying regarding the original question is simple: maybe the studio leaders are trying to get you to adapt to the final mix. It is their job to get YOUR vision of the song and make it work. If your tone conflicts with the other instruments, the final mix will be muddy and YOU won't even like your tone.

 

[Voxman]

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Here is one example of when a good producer will tell you to not use your amp:
-You`ve done the backing tracks WITH your gear and need some more guitars/solo on top of it.
Using the same gear on all the guitar tracks WILL make it sound less 3 dimential.Most musicians that have been doing some serious recordings knows this stuff and to be honest i think it`s a bit silly to say that BIG producers don`t know what they`re talking about.
I don`t think there is a lot of guitarists out there that have recorded a full album using only one amp and guitar.

 

[BigDaddy]

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I have heard so many so called "Big" producers ruin an artist.

Case in point, Jack Douglas (producer of Aerosmith) and a really good R&B rock singer from England named Frankie Miller. He was a more soulful version of Paul Rodgers, almost like Joe ****er but with more Otis Redding in his voice.

Douglas really ruined him. Miller's first two albums were good, not great. He could have had Bob Segar type success had he been handled better. His third album produced by Douglas was horrible. He did nothing for him and Miller slipped into oblivion.

I have had a first hand look into the real workings of the music business and I got out quick. Most people in it are totally incompetent and get where they are through every other method other than talent and the quality of their work. I did work on a project with a man named Adrian Barber and got a first hand look into recording demos for a major label in the 70's. I know a few people that were in the industry or still are.

I would not trust anybody to interpret my music or try to do something with it. If I can't do myself and don't know what I am trying to do as an artist what makes anybody think someone else does. It will be "A Hit and Miss" type of thing, usually more miss.

Unless the person really has a handle on your type of music and sound you need to know what you want. If I were to record anything there is only one man I can think of to do it and he's dead, his name is Tom Dowd.

If I am working with someone and he did not know who Tom Dowd, Adrian Barber or even Eddie Kramer was that session would be over quick.

 

[Voxman]

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One thing is for sure,a good producer is a guy wo can make a dimond shine!
you know what i mean. A so called "good" producer is a guy picked by your record lable to produce a radio hit.A guy who don`t give a .... about your music.

 

[BigDaddy]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

Yes, if you want hits, that's a completely different approach.

If you want artist expression than that's another approach.

The two very rarely if ever exist together. There exceptions though but I haven't seen any in 20+ years.

If you're just a guy who wants to record some of his stuff than it's who is paying whom. If you are signed to contract than you are the employee unless otherwise stated in your contract. If you go to a studio to record some of your stuff, you are paying for a service.

It's up to the person who runs the studio and/or board to make you sound like you want to.

If you don't play well or you cannot express what you hear in your head that's a problem. That's why all studios have a device which can correct your pitch in the vocals. Drum machines and click tracks make up for people who have no timing. So if you have a really good engineer he can take crap and turn into something listenable. Will it sound like you want, I doubt it since if you are on that level I don't think you would even have a clue what you want.

Getting back to the question, how much do they have to pay me to not care how I sound.

 

[Voxman]

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Only you know how much .....LOL
I think you`re totally right about the other stuff

 

[OlinMusic]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

I will GUARANTEE you 9 times out of 10

Bring a vintage rig approproate to the gig, such as a 100w for rock or a 30w for lighter stuff - and it will end up on the recording as at least ONE overdub. Even if its means your Plexi gets mixed with a Soldano or Dual Rec, they WILL likely want it on there. Bogner stuff gets a LOT of love as well.

Ex. Old Fenders, Old Marshalls, Les Pauls, Jazzmasters

I would say it's just people being into labels, but I have to admit - these amps and guitars record so well, that great tone has a LOT to do with it.

Once again, this was a great thread that I am sure educated many young readers, myself included.

 

[Jackson Distortion]

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Thanks for the active interest in a topic I find interesting- the studio. While I'm not a professional studio musician- far from it, but don't quite understand working with a producer that I didn't at least, check his credits- so that he/she could get a handle on what style of music I'm asking them to help me lay down.

You guys who've done and still play the studio know firsthand what it's like and I thank you for sharing your experiences.

 

[TheArchitect]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

Thanks for the active interest in a topic I find interesting- the studio. While I'm not a professional studio musician- far from it, but don't quite understand working with a producer that I didn't at least, check his credits- so that he/she could get a handle on what style of music I'm asking them to help me lay down.

You guys who've done and still play the studio know firsthand what it's like and I thank you for sharing your experiences.

In many cases "producer" means the guy who owns/runs the local studio. It not necessarily someone you have a choice on. Many cities don't have a lot of places to choose from.

 

[Jeff Dunne]

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The only thing I find wrong with the concept is that it might sound artificial since the players performance might be geared towards what they are hearing when they record the track. So feedback, harmonics and resonance might be lost. Although you could overdub later with the prefered gear to reintroduce those dynamics.

Nope - you always track with a POD or a small amp or something, so you're not just hearing a cheesy DI guitar sound. LOL

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

Nope - you always track with a POD or a small amp or something, so you're not just hearing a cheesy DI guitar sound. LOL

Yeah I gathered that. Nobody would want to hear their sound absolutely clean. Technically a player could play with whatever amp they wanted to in the studio but it wouldn't be recorded. Whats nice about it is you can use a better amp latter and spend time perfecting the mic placement without forcing a player to start over again and scrub a perfectly serviceable track. It would also be a lot easier on the rest of the band.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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I am amazed by the amount of :bsflag: in this thread...

 

[JB_From_Hell]

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I thought the cool thing about reamping was being able to try out a bunch of different tones in the final mix, not "fix" the tone.

 

[Voxman]

Re: "Not in my studio!" / "I want this sound."

Nope - you always track with a POD or a small amp or something, so you're not just hearing a cheesy DI guitar sound. LOL

Hi Jeff,this is a bit off topic but if you wanna hear my srewing around with sound
check this out: www.myspace.com/curtisbay)
This is recorded with a pod xt in my home recording "studio" and
i use some tricks i`v picked up during previous pro recordings. I`m not a
pro engineer but i`v done some records as a band member.

 

[Voxman]

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I am amazed by the amount of :bsflag: in this thread...

I`m amazed about your long bird :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[Jeff Dunne]

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I'm amazed that the douche still bothers posting that stupid crap.