NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

darthphineas

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Just in time for Christmas!! Thanks MJ! :yourock:

This pickup came to my attention by the thread masta'c posted back in April on the history of the El Diablo. He said:

The EL DIABLO:

The original "El Diablo" was inspired by and directly based on the Screamin’ Demon. From the outside, you can't tell the two apart. Like the Demon, the Diablo featured a coil with 6 adjustable hex screws mated to a second coil with traditional fillister type pole pieces. Both the Demon and the Diablo housed an A5 (Alnico V) magnet at their core. However, the coils of the Diablo were wound to a much higher resistance than the Demon’s typical 10K range. When I spoke with MJ about the design more than a decade ago, she said the goal of the El Diablo was to increase the output and tame the sometimes harsh top end of the Screamin' Demon without losing its tightness, drive and clarity. This "original” El Diablo was designed at the request of Scott Ian, but is not the model most SD fans associate with him because it was not the pickup found in his signature guitars.

When the Demon first came out, I loaded them into several guitars. I think I had up to around 5 of them at one point. But the output never really gave me what I wanted, coming from years and years of playing the JB. So the original El Diablo was an interesting concept. It was hard to get a bead on the tone, since not many had tried one. So I thought I'd just take the plunge and check it out.

I loaded it into an alder ESP M-II Deluxe. It has a maple neck with a 24-fret rosewood board and a Floyd. I ran it through my ADA MP-1.

First impressions....

While not sure what to expect, I had to pickup a few different guitars during the process to help define a reference. It seems to have something in the mids that keeps throwing me off... as in, scratching my head. Like maybe a bit of a scooped thing going on. Not a huge scoop, but definitely different if you are used to pickups with a greater focus on mids. A big open G chord doesn't have quite the same 'wah' vibe.

The highs are defined and have plenty of cut. Pinched and artificial harmonics pops off and there is plenty of drive for them to sustain. While it's been suggested that the highs have been tamed a little, I think there are plenty there. There is definitely not a rolled-off or softened voicing going on with the highs. Not sure if I'd call them harsh, but they seem to be up there with a high output high like you'd get on the JB while not as harsh as the DD (of course).

The low end is the one thing that sorta caught me off guard. I was expecting it to be a little bit tighter. It's been a few years now since I've laid ears on a Screamin Demon in person, so I can't remember if this is an original quality of the Demon or a result of the overwound coils. That is not to say that it's flabby and loose, as it's not. But for example, when chugging away on the C or D on the A-string or the G or A on the E-string, it's right in there with the JB or the RTM. Not flabby, but not quite articulate either.

It is matched up with a Jazz/59 hybrid in the neck and the transition is smooth from bridge to neck and back again.

While this pickup was originally wound for Scott Ian, if you were to break in down in terms of the pickup it started from, it'd clearly fall between a Screamin Demon and a Dokken humbucker. Overwinding a moderate output A5-based pickup leaves it a little more organic and open, but it does get into a bit of the compression and a lot of the drive that takes it toward the ceramic-based Dokken humbucker. It might be about the same output as the Super V, but they are not in the same territory to be able to compare as closely as the other models. If anything, my first listen would make it more of a JB with scooped mids or a C5 with drive and balls.

When I asked MJ about the 'Original' El Diablo, she clarified that she refers to it as the "Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon". :lol: So if you're interested, don't forget to throw that in there to help make the distinction clear.
 
Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Hmm, interesting. I can't help but wonder how that would sound with a ceramic......
 
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VEry interesting! Keep us posted as you spend more time with it..
 
Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Hmm, interesting. I can't help but wonder how that would sound with a ceramic......

was thinking the same thing


VEry interesting! Keep us posted as you spend more time with it..


thanks!.. and will do. I might have about 2 weeks with it to get a better feel for it. it was ordered as f-spaced and arrived as standard-spaced, so I'll be swapping it out when MJ gets back after the first of the year. I figured I'd get an idea of the tone while I was waiting.
 
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Did you hook it up to a meter? I would be curious to see what the numbers on it are. Also, any chance you have tried an A8 swap with a demon and could compare that to the OG Diablo?
 
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Sounds awesome man, thanks for the nice review. This is a pup that has always intrigued me and I hope to grab one up sometime myself.
I like your choice of test gear...good stuff indeed sir!
 
Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Hooked it up for the series DCR. It is just over 13k. I don't have any Demons to do any mag swaps with. Based on the A8 swaps I've done with other pickups, I'm not sure I'd expect it to be as similar.

In the next few days, I'll pull it from the current bridge position and try it in the middle position of the Strat. Between the new position, maple board and titanium block, I think that might flesh out the slightly scooped mids I'm hearing.

That would be to say that if you like a tone that's a little more focused and doesn't have pronounced mids that this would be in your ballpark.




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Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Congrats on your purchase! I'm glad you decided to give the real-deal "El Diablo" a go!

One thing I noticed immediately is that my "El Diablo" meters out at nearly 15K, which is a pretty big jump from your 13K, regardless of manufacturing tolerances or variances in temp/humidity. Is yours trem or regular spaced?

As for my "tamed" comment, I was referring to the fact that the El Diablo seems to yield more girth to single notes and less high-end harshness with moderate to aggressive pick attack when chording. This is in direct comparison to the Demons I've tried in the same guitars. I don't want to lose focus of the fact that the pickup is still on the bright side of the spectrum and cuts very well, just as you said. You can dig in and reveal an abundance of top end presence, but there's more "sizzle" up high and less "screech". Also, while the Diablo is definitely a bit more compressed than the Demon, I find it is still very "open" sounding and organic.

I get your comparison to the Custom 5 and JB. However, I feel the mids are more "balanced" than "scooped". I really don't find mine to be shy on mids at all, just more evenly voiced. It doesn't have the same upper-mid "bloom" the JB is known for. It's definitely closer to the Custom family in tone and output.

Lastly, I haven't experienced any low-end "flubiness". Mine is all around tight and crunchy. Perhaps this comes down to the particular guitar(s) and amp(s) we're using these with (and the possibility that our pickups may have a similar, but slightly different wind).

I'm curious to see how you feel after you play with it a bit more. All in all, though, congrats!
 
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Good points there.

It is standard spaced. It was ordered as trem-spaced, but I ordered 3 CS pups at once. Since the other 2 were gifts for someone else, I'm OK with the one I ordered for myself having a glitch. lol! It's not in front of me, but I think a more accurate DCR would be around 13.3k or 13.5k.

Yes, it's not at all scooped like a totally metal sort of tone. When used to pickups with a little more punch in the mids, it is something different. The only bridge pup I've tried with mids that remind me of it would be the C5.

I've only tried it on my main rig. Its typical for some pickups to have a flavor of chunk to them when chugging on a few PM notes, like the ones mentioned. I've come across a few that have a touch less of that chunk. This one would fall a little more into that chunk area. I've probably gotten used to people complain about the looseness or flab from the lows in a JB, and although I don't really agree with that description, I used a familiar/common term. But you are right, it is not mushy and thick.

Seems that it arriving standard-spaced might be a blessing in disguise, as it prompted the idea to put it in a middle position. I am thinking the mids and the cut/bite might end up being something that really help better achieve a goal in that spot.

I can see it definitely suiting many players. At first glance, it's just a little bit off the beaten path from what I usually aim for. And that's not a bad thing.

Have to say if not known of this pickup if not for your post from earlier this year. It seems like MJ is taking a note from In-And-Out when it comes to the hidden recipes. lol!


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Swapped this pickup out today and put it in the middle position of the Strat. It went from an alder with rosewood board to an alder American Standard Strat with a maple board. it also has an OFR with a titanium block. for grins, I also pulled the '59nA4 out of the ESP and put it in the neck of the Strat as well. it has a TB4 in the bridge and the middle and neck are wired to split.

when split, it's still a little sharp on a clean setting. but when put with the '59nA4 and both are split, it gives a pretty nice clean tone.

keeping it in series on a dirty setting and going back and forth with the JB in the bridge, it does bring plenty of drive and bite. it's a pretty smooth transition between the bridge JB switching into the middle position El Di. for the applications I have and for my preference, I can see where it will work better for me in a middle position. those chugga-shugga lows are still a little woofy or wooly (whatever you want to call it) in my rig than what I was expecting (also considering the change in position) and it appears it's just the nature of the pickup - although I was hoping the titanium would help offer a little more clarity in that area in the way it can for other pickups. I'll probably be getting back to laying down some more samples after the first of the year (sorry, won't be posting them here) and maybe running the MP-1 through a speaker sim might resolve some things. there have been suggestions to put an A4 in there, and the next time I pop open the Strat, I think that might be what the doctor ordered for me with this pickup. I'm not a ceramic guy, so I don't have any sitting around to throw in there, but I can definitely see where that suggestion could be great in this pickup.

ultimately, it's like a loud Demon. it's got drive and a bit of grit to it. if you're running a tight-sounding rig or have a rig set up for speed riffing, it should be awesome - which makes me see how this would work for a guy playing in Anthrax. if you want crisp highs and even mids and crushing lows, this can deliver. if you don't like the JB's pronounced mids, this can be your answer. I find it to have plenty of output and can keep delivering a note better than the mailman. one of my issues with the production Demon was the output, so the original El Di brings it to the table.

while I had it out, I jumped on a few readings. the box had it in the mid-13k range. here's what I got from my meter:

14.06k series
7.14k split to stud
6.91k split to screw
3.51k parallel
 
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Thanks for checking on the numbers, in addition to everything else, I appreciate it.
 
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will be approaching this pickup again in a few days. am swapping the TB4 out of the bridge of the guitar for a CS model that's coming in. as such, I've been looking at a few options for the Original El Diablo.

let's face it, a Demon is a little scooped when you are used to a JB... so the comparison to the C5 keeps coming back around, to a degree. while the polished A4 mag swap is on the table, I do have some real deal allen head pole pieces here that I've been thinking about swapping in the E and A poles. any thoughts from anyone that has swapped normal fillister screws for the allen head screws?

thanks!!
 
Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Does it compare at all to the Gibson Dirty Fingers (yeah, I know that the DF has higher output than the El D.)?
 
Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Hot, hot, hot! you say?

Maybe they should call it the Buster Poindexter Screamin Demon. :D
 
NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

Hot, hot, hot! you say?

Maybe they should call it the Buster Poindexter Screamin Demon. :D

Yeah I know. haha! I think the OG El Diablo or the Original El Diablo sounds a little cooler.


Does it compare at all to the Gibson Dirty Fingers (yeah, I know that the DF has higher output than the El D.)?


No clue. Haven't gotten my hands on a DF. Or are you thinking about the current El Diablo that used to the Iommi model?
 
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Re: NPD: 'Original' El Diablo (Hot Hot Hot Screamin Demon)

will be approaching this pickup again in a few days. am swapping the TB4 out of the bridge of the guitar for a CS model that's coming in. as such, I've been looking at a few options for the Original El Diablo.

let's face it, a Demon is a little scooped when you are used to a JB... so the comparison to the C5 keeps coming back around, to a degree. while the polished A4 mag swap is on the table, I do have some real deal allen head pole pieces here that I've been thinking about swapping in the E and A poles. any thoughts from anyone that has swapped normal fillister screws for the allen head screws?

thanks!!
I'm really curious to see if an A2 in an OG Diablo would moderate some of the scooping.
 
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I think an A2 might get a little closer to a CC than anything else


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