Old Charvel vs New Charvel
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Old Charvel vs New Charvel
There is no question about the history of mine. I acquired it the summer of 1981 and I'm the one and only owner since then.:cool2:
There is no question about the history of mine. I acquired it the summer of 1981 and I'm the one and only owner since then.:cool2:
Lake Placid Blues
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But they do. I thought for years that mine had a 12" radius because that was what the I was told when I first got it. A few years ago after reading some comments by Greg Warmoth posted in this forum about early compound radius and Charvels, I checked mine with a guage. It is 12-16" compound, no doubt about it.
... I thought the compound neck radius wasn't invented by Warmoth until the mid-late '80s... :banghead:
... Charvel used 11" straight radius necks... these authentic vintage Charvel flyers don't lie..
But they do. I thought for years that mine had a 12" radius because that was what the I was told when I first got it. A few years ago after reading some comments by Greg Warmoth posted in this forum about early compound radius and Charvels, I checked mine with a guage. It is 12-16" compound, no doubt about it.
YHWH
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... well the flyers said 11" not 12". And if that's the case then... who was first w/ the patent? Which necks were first with the compound radius... because Ed's Frankie neck wasn't compound...and it was a Boogie Bodies/Warmoth neck.
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Lake Placid Blues
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I don't know. I just know that mine measures out 12" to 16", and recall being told it was 12".
I don't know. I just know that mine measures out 12" to 16", and recall being told it was 12".
speed2dirt
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How do the 1990's Reissue IIs rank compared to the new USA models? Also, can anyone verify the wood used for the body. I'm thinking it's Koa and not mahogany like the seller stated.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/msg/1274069594.html
How do the 1990's Reissue IIs rank compared to the new USA models? Also, can anyone verify the wood used for the body. I'm thinking it's Koa and not mahogany like the seller stated.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/msg/1274069594.html
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DrNewcenstein
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Looks a bit like curly maple to me.
Some of the SD RIs were Mahogany, some were Koa.
That looks like neither.
Looks a bit like curly maple to me.
Some of the SD RIs were Mahogany, some were Koa.
That looks like neither.
Lake Placid Blues
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Well it's time to man up and admit I was wrong. All this got me to construct a few of of my own guages and double check. I made an 11" gauge, and 12" gauge, and a 16" guage and pulled the strings off. It seems to fit the the 11" the best, all the way down too. I don't know why the results are different from what I recalled from a few years ago. More accurate guages than those I had then? There's very little difference between 11" and 16" BTW. I don't know, but those were todays results
Well it's time to man up and admit I was wrong. All this got me to construct a few of of my own guages and double check. I made an 11" gauge, and 12" gauge, and a 16" guage and pulled the strings off. It seems to fit the the 11" the best, all the way down too. I don't know why the results are different from what I recalled from a few years ago. More accurate guages than those I had then? There's very little difference between 11" and 16" BTW. I don't know, but those were todays results
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Binnerscot
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One can not call the Floyd on the new USA Charvels an OFR by any stretch...I could care less who makes it, or what the advertising or labelling may say. I have lots of OFRs and Schaller and I do own a new US Charvel, it is not the same quality as an OFR or what most people refer to as an OFR
One can not call the Floyd on the new USA Charvels an OFR by any stretch...I could care less who makes it, or what the advertising or labelling may say. I have lots of OFRs and Schaller and I do own a new US Charvel, it is not the same quality as an OFR or what most people refer to as an OFR
DrNewcenstein
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I also have quite a few Schaller-made OFRs and the licensed Schaller-made/branded trems, and several of the new Charvels with the FRT-2000.
The FRT-2000 does not bear any licensing info, ergo it is a genuine Floyd Rose product just like the Speedloader and just like the original 1980s Floyd Rose tremolo. NO ONE has any concrete data on quality of materials used for the FRT-2000, and because of that alone, NO ONE knows if they are as good as the Schaller-made units or not. You can feel it in your gut or pretend you have super-hearing all you want, but unless you have in your direct personal possession the actual manufacturing and material data printouts, there is no way to prove or disprove their quality.
Only time spent using them just as the original and Schallers have been used will tell.
I also have quite a few Schaller-made OFRs and the licensed Schaller-made/branded trems, and several of the new Charvels with the FRT-2000.
The FRT-2000 does not bear any licensing info, ergo it is a genuine Floyd Rose product just like the Speedloader and just like the original 1980s Floyd Rose tremolo. NO ONE has any concrete data on quality of materials used for the FRT-2000, and because of that alone, NO ONE knows if they are as good as the Schaller-made units or not. You can feel it in your gut or pretend you have super-hearing all you want, but unless you have in your direct personal possession the actual manufacturing and material data printouts, there is no way to prove or disprove their quality.
Only time spent using them just as the original and Schallers have been used will tell.
Zerberus
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^^ I agree, the PING made OFRs have gotten a pretty bad rap IMO just becasue they´re not MIG or MIUSA... all the ones I' ve seen and used so far are holding up just fine, time will tell if they have the same longevity.
As far as "not caling them an OFR by any stretch": you´ll have to take that discussion up with the people at www.floydrose.com, because according to them it IS an OFR. While I know what marketing is and that it can sometimes be used to sell an inferior product (I won´t take the cheap shot at my favorite Japanese guitar company at this point for a change), it´s their product, so the nomenclature is their decision, not ours.
For example just because I think a DD sounds like some Duncan Designed Pickup and don´t like it for whatever reasons doesn´t change that fact that it´s still a Duncan Distortion
^^ I agree, the PING made OFRs have gotten a pretty bad rap IMO just becasue they´re not MIG or MIUSA... all the ones I' ve seen and used so far are holding up just fine, time will tell if they have the same longevity.
As far as "not caling them an OFR by any stretch": you´ll have to take that discussion up with the people at www.floydrose.com, because according to them it IS an OFR. While I know what marketing is and that it can sometimes be used to sell an inferior product (I won´t take the cheap shot at my favorite Japanese guitar company at this point for a change), it´s their product, so the nomenclature is their decision, not ours.
For example just because I think a DD sounds like some Duncan Designed Pickup and don´t like it for whatever reasons doesn´t change that fact that it´s still a Duncan Distortion
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Binnerscot
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Forums are so entertaining. So now while I have your attention....apparently, you missed my statement about the fact that I think it is very good Floyd, but not quite the same as my Schallers and my Schaller OFRs.....
Put them side by side and look at them....if you are blind, you get a pass on the evaluation. FloydRose can call it an OFR, but I suppose a Gibson Kramer is just like an 80's Kramer whether I like it or not also.
Forums are so entertaining. So now while I have your attention....apparently, you missed my statement about the fact that I think it is very good Floyd, but not quite the same as my Schallers and my Schaller OFRs.....
Put them side by side and look at them....if you are blind, you get a pass on the evaluation. FloydRose can call it an OFR, but I suppose a Gibson Kramer is just like an 80's Kramer whether I like it or not also.
YHWH
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... NBD. :friday: I never thought those old San Dimas-era Charvels were all that flat.
YHWH
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... could be flame Koa... like Carvin uses... or the top of that Reb Beach model Ibanez (flame koa over mahogany). Dude must be desperate for $$... I'd snag it for only $400 bills w/ case... if I had $400 bills... :banghead:
Zerberus
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Apparently I did, my bad.
My point (and I think Newc´s as well) is that the minor differences in saddle shape and overall cosmetics do not in any way denote that it is of lower quality, only metallurgical tests and micrometer measurements of each and every part, thread or piece of plating could give actually useful hints to that
Apparently I did, my bad.
My point (and I think Newc´s as well) is that the minor differences in saddle shape and overall cosmetics do not in any way denote that it is of lower quality, only metallurgical tests and micrometer measurements of each and every part, thread or piece of plating could give actually useful hints to that
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It might be cheaper, but there may be a tone advantage in having the frets into the neck instead of having a fretboard and glue in the way.
I think some classic Fender fanatics feel this way.
It might be cheaper, but there may be a tone advantage in having the frets into the neck instead of having a fretboard and glue in the way.
I think some classic Fender fanatics feel this way.
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Like so?
FYI - I did the MIK to MIG swap on my Charvel ProMod. I did it for cosmetic purposes only (wanted chrome - and didn't cry about it). Did not notice any different in sound. Maybe a slight different in feel at first that went away sinse my MIG bar seems to be looser than a (insert national preference) whore.
Like so?
FYI - I did the MIK to MIG swap on my Charvel ProMod. I did it for cosmetic purposes only (wanted chrome - and didn't cry about it). Did not notice any different in sound. Maybe a slight different in feel at first that went away sinse my MIG bar seems to be looser than a (insert national preference) whore.
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