One string tree or two?
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bryvincent
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Re: One string tree or two?
no string tree for me
no string tree for me
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seafoamer
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Re: One string tree or two?
Plant a whole garden of them.
Plant a whole garden of them.
Alvin Lee Fan
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Re: One string tree or two?
My custom Tele had two installed when built, but I took the one off for the D-G strings. It gave the G string a more looser, vibey sound that I liked.
My custom Tele had two installed when built, but I took the one off for the D-G strings. It gave the G string a more looser, vibey sound that I liked.
Indie P Bass
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Re: One string tree or two?
I put an extra on my basses between the A and D string... it's pretty much just there for the A string, but, I prefer more tension on my strings, so it helps.
I put an extra on my basses between the A and D string... it's pretty much just there for the A string, but, I prefer more tension on my strings, so it helps.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: One string tree or two?
Only one if I have to....it is annoying how they hang up the strings when I use the trem.
Only one if I have to....it is annoying how they hang up the strings when I use the trem.
bryvincent
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Re: One string tree or two?
its better to use the roller types or the graphite ones specially if you have locking tuners.
its better to use the roller types or the graphite ones specially if you have locking tuners.
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: One string tree or two?
Actually, I think, and so do alot of my "luthier" friends, that roller or graphite nuts, string trees, saddles, and locking bridges were designed because some people just dont know how to set up a guitar properly. You can have a wing string tree, a bone nut, and a 6 point trem with vintage saddles, and wiggle all you want, if properly set up, you wont go out of tune.
Actually, I think, and so do alot of my "luthier" friends, that roller or graphite nuts, string trees, saddles, and locking bridges were designed because some people just dont know how to set up a guitar properly. You can have a wing string tree, a bone nut, and a 6 point trem with vintage saddles, and wiggle all you want, if properly set up, you wont go out of tune.
Metalman_666
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Re: One string tree or two?
I don't like string trees... I've had intonation problems with my strat that only has one. And I've heard some bad things. But maybe it was just the setup of the guitar?
I don't like string trees... I've had intonation problems with my strat that only has one. And I've heard some bad things. But maybe it was just the setup of the guitar?
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: One string tree or two?
I oprefger 2 trees. The string tension is more consistent and I don´t like the "rubbery" feel of bends on the d and g strings without a tree.
As far as the "can´t set it up" discussion: Do you honestly think Floyds made setup easier?
But seriously, like you said a proper setup may have slightly influenced the technologly. But when you look at for example the range or feel of a Floyd to a Vintage 6 hole, they´re 2 totally diferent beasts, and THAT was intended. Whie the original Idea was just to stay in tune, why not get "sicker" when you´re already at it.
But I still disagree. All of these "doohickeys" like roller/ graphite nuts, Roller-saddles serve a purpose, and server that purpose BETTER than the "original equivalent" when properly set up. THAT´s why thay were invented, that´s why the M-1 was replaced by the M-16, it was just better in most situations.
I think it all boils down to the Zerb mentality of "Why settle for second best?? Do I look like I won´t win?". And, like with cars or anything else "moddable", we can and will change our guitars for what we feel is the better.
Roller nut: Less friction at the nut, Tone of open string nearly indiscernible form fretted note.
Graphite nut: Less friction at the nut, Black works well where bone "sticks out"
Floyd Rose: longer range than a vintage trem, impossible to knock out of tune (and at this kind of range, a vintage style would be hopelessly out of tune pretty often, trust me.)
Graphite saddles: Less string breakage. Not usually a setup issue but more often a "bridge design" issue.
Buzz Feiten/ Earvana: Better tempering of the tuning, guitart plays more in tune all over the neck
Not all change is bad or due to the stupidity of the masses. But true, most changes are
I oprefger 2 trees. The string tension is more consistent and I don´t like the "rubbery" feel of bends on the d and g strings without a tree.
As far as the "can´t set it up" discussion: Do you honestly think Floyds made setup easier?
But seriously, like you said a proper setup may have slightly influenced the technologly. But when you look at for example the range or feel of a Floyd to a Vintage 6 hole, they´re 2 totally diferent beasts, and THAT was intended. Whie the original Idea was just to stay in tune, why not get "sicker" when you´re already at it.
But I still disagree. All of these "doohickeys" like roller/ graphite nuts, Roller-saddles serve a purpose, and server that purpose BETTER than the "original equivalent" when properly set up. THAT´s why thay were invented, that´s why the M-1 was replaced by the M-16, it was just better in most situations.
I think it all boils down to the Zerb mentality of "Why settle for second best?? Do I look like I won´t win?". And, like with cars or anything else "moddable", we can and will change our guitars for what we feel is the better.
Roller nut: Less friction at the nut, Tone of open string nearly indiscernible form fretted note.
Graphite nut: Less friction at the nut, Black works well where bone "sticks out"
Floyd Rose: longer range than a vintage trem, impossible to knock out of tune (and at this kind of range, a vintage style would be hopelessly out of tune pretty often, trust me.)
Graphite saddles: Less string breakage. Not usually a setup issue but more often a "bridge design" issue.
Buzz Feiten/ Earvana: Better tempering of the tuning, guitart plays more in tune all over the neck
Not all change is bad or due to the stupidity of the masses. But true, most changes are
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: One string tree or two?
Ok, I'll give you the Floyd and the tone of a roller nut. But, you cant tell me that a properly cut and well done bone nut will be worse than a graphite nut. And as for string breakage, that's nothing that a little wire stripping or or small needle file wont fix. I didnt mean the BF or Earvana, cause that's just like the best thing to happen to guitars since the Stratocaster.
Ok, I'll give you the Floyd and the tone of a roller nut. But, you cant tell me that a properly cut and well done bone nut will be worse than a graphite nut. And as for string breakage, that's nothing that a little wire stripping or or small needle file wont fix. I didnt mean the BF or Earvana, cause that's just like the best thing to happen to guitars since the Stratocaster.
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: One string tree or two?
All other things equal, without maintenance (pencil lead/nut sauce, every so often a bit of sandpaper, etc.) the graphite nut WILL keep it´s tuning better in the long term because of it´s inherently lubricative properties.
Again, they ALL have their merits, some a bit less than others, but they also ALL have disadvantages. Nut material is one of those things where you really "can´t go" anyway, because I´ve seen easily 20 different materials used for a nut, and they all have advantages and drawbacks
Here some examples:
Bone
Graphite
Corian
Micarta
Phenolic Resin
Pre-ban Ivory
Brass
Mammoth Ivory
Ebony
Steel
Abalone(!)
Plastic (probably the only one that IMO has nothing but disadvantages)
Looking at that, it quickly becomes obvious IMO that it´s personal preference (or maybe "mojo"), not all of it because of a crappy setup
beandip said:
All other things equal, without maintenance (pencil lead/nut sauce, every so often a bit of sandpaper, etc.) the graphite nut WILL keep it´s tuning better in the long term because of it´s inherently lubricative properties.
Yes, but is every guiitarist experienced in such fine work? And for example what if you don´t like the tone of your brass saddles? Then you can kill 2 birds with one stone, for about the price of a pro-setup, and lower your maintenance cost/time at the same time
Again, they ALL have their merits, some a bit less than others, but they also ALL have disadvantages. Nut material is one of those things where you really "can´t go" anyway, because I´ve seen easily 20 different materials used for a nut, and they all have advantages and drawbacks
Here some examples:
Bone
Graphite
Corian
Micarta
Phenolic Resin
Pre-ban Ivory
Brass
Mammoth Ivory
Ebony
Steel
Abalone(!)
Plastic (probably the only one that IMO has nothing but disadvantages)
Looking at that, it quickly becomes obvious IMO that it´s personal preference (or maybe "mojo"), not all of it because of a crappy setup
