One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

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I've got some shows coming up with some fast pedal switches during songs... which I loathe.

In rehearsal, I am reminded how much better the foot switching of a Original Boss Compact Stomp Pedal Design is than almost anything else -despite their being 200 brands now copying and tweaking about 20 original fundamental pedals. With a Boss, there is no aiming, no discomfort, and no distinguishing pedals. it's just better. And spare me the top mount argument -as Boss knew pedals needed a certain amount of space for the foot so elected to do side mount so a second row could be added easily. also spare me the buffer/true bypass wormhole -Boss can do it on any pedal they elect to do -We are talking about the industrial design of the stomp platform mechanism in this thread.

I'm guessing developing a pedal stomp lever system is complicated and costly to these manufacturers who can easily buy a good 3PDT Stomp Switch and call it a day....

look at the market.... it's basically the 50 yr old garage approach for something that was innovated and made superior by Boss and a limited others -over 40 years ago. DOD tried, but guys -their pedals and stomp button sucked compared to Boss -Ibanez did a good job.


but It's a clear place where a Pedal company known for improving things and forwarding the art could innovate in the Market

SO here's the mechanical design that's best for the guitar player interacting with a pedal live:

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Here's what we get from everyone else -beautiful often but not as good

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here's an attempt -but DOD's mechanism is spongy and gross compared to Boss

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I guess Ibanez/Maxon is the second best approach

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Here's what happens when guys in their garage have tried in the past: :lMAO:

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So who out there is innovating, or has a system that is equal or better than the classic Boss Design? And notice -no where in this thread did I say the Boss design was prettier! :lmao:
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I agree about this type of foot switch. But then you get people being cranky about it being a FET switch with buffers. But you can also use a relay.

My Whammy pedal has the worst foot switch. It’s easy to miss.


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Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

Boss is the Sony of the pedal world.
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I agree about this type of foot switch. But then you get people being cranky about it being a FET switch with buffers. But you can also use a relay.

My Whammy pedal has the worst foot switch. It’s easy to miss.


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Yeah, so why haven't we seen innovation in this area at all? -Even Boss hasn't changed anything -Why would they when no one has come close to making anything as good
 
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I've always liked the Boss design, except it doesn't quite have the nice mechanical resistance of a 3PDT switch, which their nice chunky click to them.

This would be perfect if done correctly:

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Then there are these sins:

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Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I actually hate the boss pedal design. I much prefer the little switch on the MXR pedals.
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I actually hate the boss pedal design. I much prefer the little switch on the MXR pedals.

Youre a Savage.... lol.

I use an MXR and a BOSS side by side on stage. Love both pedals..... but you are a total weirdo if you prefer the MXR switch !!!!

Maybe it's your nostalgia messing with your practicality :lmao:

or maybe it's mine? ***inserts mind blown meme here***
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I've always liked the Boss design, except it doesn't quite have the nice mechanical resistance of a 3PDT switch, which their nice chunky click to them.

This would be perfect if done correctly:

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Then there are these sins:

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You can definitely wear a Boss out where the lever is sketchy -not sure how many cycles there are rated for -but that can be said of any pedal.

Good lord.... that last pedal pic!!!!
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I agree 100% with the stomp mechanism of BOSS being superior.

That being said, BOSS is the Mickey D's of stompboxes... if you need to fill your gullet for cheap, they'll do it reasonably well.
 
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I have to say that I do prefer the Boss lever design for similar reasons the OP mentioned. Their bypass/buffer design is made the way it is to make it pedalboard friend and to "play well with others". Ibanez/Maxon are much the same way. Are they perfect? No. Effective? Absolutely.
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I’m a fan of boss’.

I’ve had similar designs that would only switch after you removed the foot, which messed with my brain.
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

I agree 100% with the stomp mechanism of BOSS being superior.

That being said, BOSS is the Mickey D's of stompboxes... if you need to fill your gullet for cheap, they'll do it reasonably well.

Fill your Gullet? Ha. great to know they are teaching middle English at your Volcano Lair.
 
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Youre a Savage.... lol.

I use an MXR and a BOSS side by side on stage. Love both pedals..... but you are a total weirdo if you prefer the MXR switch !!!!

Maybe it's your nostalgia messing with your practicality :lmao:

or maybe it's mine? ***inserts mind blown meme here***

I am a SAVAGE!! And...LOOOOOOOOOL
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

Boss has that down. Digitech copied that idea with a few pedals (my Bad Monkey is similar). The DOD is great if you need to be fast.
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

Boss has that down. Digitech copied that idea with a few pedals (my Bad Monkey is similar). The DOD is great if you need to be fast.

My experience with DOD is late 80s -and I found them to be less reliable than Boss. but there is definitely less mass to move so naturally they would be quicker.
 
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I used an Arion stage tuner for years and it is all plastic but otherwise similar. (And I don't know why everyone thinks a plastic housing is delicate - that thing got stomped and dropped a lot with no ill effect but I have seen some metal cases break!)
Of course, my other pedal all those years was a DOD and I thought the spongy, gross switch was just fine, so...
 
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Maxon 9-series is great too, but without shoes those are a bit strong.

Boss is overall the best IMO.

I don't really like the tighter MXR feel and click.
TC pedals feel better for that style switch.


Anyone who likes the MXR feel would absolutely love the carling switches Peter used in the VFE pedals.
They're no fun barefoot though, but much better than the MXRs. (IMO)
 
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+1 on the TC Electronics switches. Even though they are the button mechanical style, they feel smoother and not as stiff as others.
 
Re: One thing the Pedal Market has not caught up to Boss on......

+1 on the TC Electronics switches. Even though they are the button mechanical style, they feel smoother and not as stiff as others.

I'm curious to know if they actually use something different and what. There are only a few manufacturers of actual high cycle rate heavy duty switches
 
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As far as switches go, I'd say the TS808 has the worst system. That sticky, unreliable switch is a real pain in the rear. There is nothing worse than going into a solo only to have your overdrive decide for you that you don't need any more gain.
 
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