Orange Amps?!?!?
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Psykel
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As far as I know, the Thunder is the cheaper version of the Rocker, while the AD30 is more vintage-oriented (and my personal fave/dream amp).
The Thunder and Rocker both got clean and dirty cannels, while the AD30 got 2 more similar channels, where one got more bottom and the other one is a bit tighter.
As far as I know, the Thunder is the cheaper version of the Rocker, while the AD30 is more vintage-oriented (and my personal fave/dream amp).
The Thunder and Rocker both got clean and dirty cannels, while the AD30 got 2 more similar channels, where one got more bottom and the other one is a bit tighter.
sosomething
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Re: Orange Amps?!?!?
Rockerverb has a dedicated clean channel
Thunderverb has two channels that can be set from clean-ish to crazy OD, so it's a little more flexible.
Controls are somewhat different between the two as well. Rockerverb having more conventional controls and the T-verb being a bit different.
I had a Rockerverb 100 and liked it a lot. Very cool amp. It was used for most of our last album, 1/2 of the rhythm tracks and most of the leads.
Only downside to it was the reverb circuit. Made no sense at all. Turn it up even a teensy tiny bit and you were awash completely in insane amounts of reverb. Just useless.
Rockerverb has a dedicated clean channel
Thunderverb has two channels that can be set from clean-ish to crazy OD, so it's a little more flexible.
Controls are somewhat different between the two as well. Rockerverb having more conventional controls and the T-verb being a bit different.
I had a Rockerverb 100 and liked it a lot. Very cool amp. It was used for most of our last album, 1/2 of the rhythm tracks and most of the leads.
Only downside to it was the reverb circuit. Made no sense at all. Turn it up even a teensy tiny bit and you were awash completely in insane amounts of reverb. Just useless.
Re: Orange Amps?!?!?
Thunderverbs have tons of gain and yet can be quite nice and fuzz vintage-style. Very versatile. 2 independent channels with different EQ sections.
Rockerverbs are more modern sounding with great cleans, tons of gain too. Earlier ones (v1) have 6V6 power tubes while the V2 has el34s (50 watts version).
AD30 will be more vintage sounding with great cleans and nice crunchy break-up with some compression to the tone.
Rocker 30 (I own one): great clean but no EQ on it (no need IMO), just a volume. Lots of headroom. more "elastic sounding". 30 watts class A with EL34s (not 84s). 3 band eq on the dirty channel which can go from bluesy crunch to aggressive fuzzy distortion. Not a metal head but it can definitely do it to some degree (far far away from modern Mesa-like stuff though)
TH30 (own one as well): el84 based. Brilliant clean, very lively and sparkely. Breaks up early and pleasantly. High and low eq (2-band, no mids). Very aggressive distortion channel with tons of gain on tap. Eq is controlled by a "shape knob" that either removes mids or increases them. Very modern sounding, quite tight for an Orange. Much more versatile than people give them credit for. 7, 15 or 30 watts setting is quite nice too.
OR series: they're single-channel amps that I've never heard or tried much. They sound (from the little I've heard) more vintage. (I'm really not the guy to ask about them).
This is all quite oversimplified but should give you an idea.
Thunderverbs have tons of gain and yet can be quite nice and fuzz vintage-style. Very versatile. 2 independent channels with different EQ sections.
Rockerverbs are more modern sounding with great cleans, tons of gain too. Earlier ones (v1) have 6V6 power tubes while the V2 has el34s (50 watts version).
AD30 will be more vintage sounding with great cleans and nice crunchy break-up with some compression to the tone.
Rocker 30 (I own one): great clean but no EQ on it (no need IMO), just a volume. Lots of headroom. more "elastic sounding". 30 watts class A with EL34s (not 84s). 3 band eq on the dirty channel which can go from bluesy crunch to aggressive fuzzy distortion. Not a metal head but it can definitely do it to some degree (far far away from modern Mesa-like stuff though)
TH30 (own one as well): el84 based. Brilliant clean, very lively and sparkely. Breaks up early and pleasantly. High and low eq (2-band, no mids). Very aggressive distortion channel with tons of gain on tap. Eq is controlled by a "shape knob" that either removes mids or increases them. Very modern sounding, quite tight for an Orange. Much more versatile than people give them credit for. 7, 15 or 30 watts setting is quite nice too.
OR series: they're single-channel amps that I've never heard or tried much. They sound (from the little I've heard) more vintage. (I'm really not the guy to ask about them).
This is all quite oversimplified but should give you an idea.
mwalluk
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Which Orange would be right for me?
I'm starting a new band. The guitarist is more blues/classic rock orientated and I'm more 90s rock, so our sound will be a cross between. Think Black Keys meets Chili Peppers meets early 90s (athenauem, collective soul, gin blossoms ) meets 80s gnr.
Which Orange would be right for me?
I'm starting a new band. The guitarist is more blues/classic rock orientated and I'm more 90s rock, so our sound will be a cross between. Think Black Keys meets Chili Peppers meets early 90s (athenauem, collective soul, gin blossoms ) meets 80s gnr.
Re: Orange Amps?!?!?
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Still: here's a nice vid from the guys over at Orange: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrYqE1uCRXk
Not sure, Oranges are particular and the best way will be to hear them yourself (such a classic answer no?
)Still: here's a nice vid from the guys over at Orange: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrYqE1uCRXk
Andrew Lamprecht
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Maybe the rockerverb or Rocker 30 but I don't know if I would go to an orange for its clean tones. :approve: They don't really sparkle.
Well.... I guess the TH30 does more than any other one... but I still don't think of cleans when I think of orange.
Maybe the rockerverb or Rocker 30 but I don't know if I would go to an orange for its clean tones. :approve: They don't really sparkle.
Well.... I guess the TH30 does more than any other one... but I still don't think of cleans when I think of orange.
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everdrone
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great descriptions here! I agree.
I have all types of orange gas after being a member of their forum forum.orangeamps.com/viewforum.php?f=2
considering a tiny terror combo, humbuckermusic.com has oranges cheap. then putting a neo speaker in it and reducing its weight 7 pounds. AD series and some great pedals seems right for you! tiny terror does not have any cleans at all. thunderverb and rockerverb are high gain monsters for the most part but that can act like a swiss army knife. mine is awesome cause it has a great attenuator built in, and handles low end DOOM like a champ
great descriptions here! I agree.
I have all types of orange gas after being a member of their forum forum.orangeamps.com/viewforum.php?f=2
considering a tiny terror combo, humbuckermusic.com has oranges cheap. then putting a neo speaker in it and reducing its weight 7 pounds. AD series and some great pedals seems right for you! tiny terror does not have any cleans at all. thunderverb and rockerverb are high gain monsters for the most part but that can act like a swiss army knife. mine is awesome cause it has a great attenuator built in, and handles low end DOOM like a champ
mwalluk
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I'm leaning more towards either the AD30 or Rockerverb 50. Howmuch headroom does the 30 have?
great descriptions here! I agree.
I have all types of orange gas after being a member of their forum forum.orangeamps.com/viewforum.php?f=2
considering a tiny terror combo, humbuckermusic.com has oranges cheap. then putting a neo speaker in it and reducing its weight 7 pounds. AD series and some great pedals seems right for you! tiny terror does not have any cleans at all. thunderverb and rockerverb are high gain monsters for the most part but that can act like a swiss army knife. mine is awesome cause it has a great attenuator built in, and handles low end DOOM like a champ
I'm leaning more towards either the AD30 or Rockerverb 50. Howmuch headroom does the 30 have?
hermetico
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The Rockerverb 50 has stunning cleans and, amounts of gain in the other channel. See this, if it can help you. Sound starts more or less at 4:02
Incredible amp. I had to solve it because to get the best of it, it must be really cranked to painfull levels. I know it sounds topic but, I can leave with my current amps at lower levels.
The Rockerverb 50 has stunning cleans and, amounts of gain in the other channel. See this, if it can help you. Sound starts more or less at 4:02
Incredible amp. I had to solve it because to get the best of it, it must be really cranked to painfull levels. I know it sounds topic but, I can leave with my current amps at lower levels.
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everdrone
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I love zepp and sabb...
check Led Zep's Celebration Day.
Now if you're keeping score on Jimmy's live rig for that show, it would look like this:
Marshall Plexi – 2
St. Petersburg – 2
New Orange – 4
he doesn't play them as per an endorsement either. The logos are half taped over.
I love zepp and sabb...
check Led Zep's Celebration Day.
Now if you're keeping score on Jimmy's live rig for that show, it would look like this:
Marshall Plexi – 2
St. Petersburg – 2
New Orange – 4
he doesn't play them as per an endorsement either. The logos are half taped over.
some_dude
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Rocker 30 - It has a "natural" channel and a "dirty" channel. Once the amp is turned up to gig volumes the natural channel starts to crunch and is in the realm of AC/DC in terms of gain, which works well if you can control your dynamics with your pick or can clean up your signal using your guitar volume. The dirty channel is mid gain and when I tried to use it for metal it reminded me of Judas Priest type stuff. The bottom end is a little too bloated for metal, but works well for fatter rock tones.
AD30 - Loved this amp. Wish I still had it. Not much gain but pretty much zero headroom and tube rectified to boot. Great if your goal is overdriven rock tones. The channel switching is a bit of a joke... by the time I had it at stage levels both channels were so overdriven there was only a slight tone shift between them. Basically just ran it with the master on 10 all the time and adjusted the gain until I got the sound I wanted.
Rockerverb 50 - I had the original one with the 6V6s. Hated it. The clean channel was sterile and boring unless I had it turned up too loud, at which point it started to overdrive a bit and gained some depth/character to it. The dirty channel was bland and boring. It's supposed to be more modern sounding but I found it lacked the midrange punch. The EQ was basically useless since the amp only sounded good in a very narrow range of settings. Overall the dirty channel made me feel like I was playing through a Boss DS-1. The reverb was junk. It went from off to totally drenched between 0 and 1 on the knob, plus it's trails were short and clangy. I don't really have anything good to say about this amp.
AD140 - I thought it would be like an AD30 with more headroom, but it's kind of stiff and lacked any real character. Would've been a good amp if the power section was designed to sag more.
No.
All the Oranges I've owned had stiff, mid heavy EL34 cleans except for the AD30... which had spongy mid heavy semi-cleans with a whole lot of EL84 hair on them.
Zero.
Rocker 30 - It has a "natural" channel and a "dirty" channel. Once the amp is turned up to gig volumes the natural channel starts to crunch and is in the realm of AC/DC in terms of gain, which works well if you can control your dynamics with your pick or can clean up your signal using your guitar volume. The dirty channel is mid gain and when I tried to use it for metal it reminded me of Judas Priest type stuff. The bottom end is a little too bloated for metal, but works well for fatter rock tones.
AD30 - Loved this amp. Wish I still had it. Not much gain but pretty much zero headroom and tube rectified to boot. Great if your goal is overdriven rock tones. The channel switching is a bit of a joke... by the time I had it at stage levels both channels were so overdriven there was only a slight tone shift between them. Basically just ran it with the master on 10 all the time and adjusted the gain until I got the sound I wanted.
Rockerverb 50 - I had the original one with the 6V6s. Hated it. The clean channel was sterile and boring unless I had it turned up too loud, at which point it started to overdrive a bit and gained some depth/character to it. The dirty channel was bland and boring. It's supposed to be more modern sounding but I found it lacked the midrange punch. The EQ was basically useless since the amp only sounded good in a very narrow range of settings. Overall the dirty channel made me feel like I was playing through a Boss DS-1. The reverb was junk. It went from off to totally drenched between 0 and 1 on the knob, plus it's trails were short and clangy. I don't really have anything good to say about this amp.
AD140 - I thought it would be like an AD30 with more headroom, but it's kind of stiff and lacked any real character. Would've been a good amp if the power section was designed to sag more.
No.
All the Oranges I've owned had stiff, mid heavy EL34 cleans except for the AD30... which had spongy mid heavy semi-cleans with a whole lot of EL84 hair on them.
Zero.
Orbis_Mortis
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The AD30 sounds like it would be the closest to what you want except it doesn't have much headroom. It's going to breakup pretty quickly at gig volumes. It has great cleans when it isn't turned up too loud though.
If you want sparkly Fender cleans, it would probably be best to go with a Fender and get some pedals for your dirt.
The AD30 sounds like it would be the closest to what you want except it doesn't have much headroom. It's going to breakup pretty quickly at gig volumes. It has great cleans when it isn't turned up too loud though.
If you want sparkly Fender cleans, it would probably be best to go with a Fender and get some pedals for your dirt.
PonyKiller
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The main differences between the Thunderverb50 and the Rockerverb50 MKII is that the Rockerverb has an extra gain stage and a dedicated clean channel.
The Thunderverb50 has slightly less gain but features a monstrous low end. Both channels can get pretty dirty but the channel B is the killer one. You can get a sweet clean sound by keeping the guitar volume and the gain down on either channel but it still isn't Fender sparkly clean tones.
The impressions I got when I test runned both where that the Rockerverb 50 MKII was the most versatile one. It could cover a wide array of genres, from clean to brutal metal.
The Thunderverb was the dirty hard rocker, heavy metal amp.
I went with the Thunder50 because of the huge low end. It can cover anywhere from the classic rock sounds of the late 60's to the cranked modded Marshall tone of the 80's and works great for the doom/stoner metal stuff. Headroom for the cleans is OK I guess but I didn't get this amp for that. If you want headroom there's the 200 watt version of the Thunderverb.
The main differences between the Thunderverb50 and the Rockerverb50 MKII is that the Rockerverb has an extra gain stage and a dedicated clean channel.
The Thunderverb50 has slightly less gain but features a monstrous low end. Both channels can get pretty dirty but the channel B is the killer one. You can get a sweet clean sound by keeping the guitar volume and the gain down on either channel but it still isn't Fender sparkly clean tones.
The impressions I got when I test runned both where that the Rockerverb 50 MKII was the most versatile one. It could cover a wide array of genres, from clean to brutal metal.
The Thunderverb was the dirty hard rocker, heavy metal amp.
I went with the Thunder50 because of the huge low end. It can cover anywhere from the classic rock sounds of the late 60's to the cranked modded Marshall tone of the 80's and works great for the doom/stoner metal stuff. Headroom for the cleans is OK I guess but I didn't get this amp for that. If you want headroom there's the 200 watt version of the Thunderverb.
sosomething
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Am I the only one thinking that maybe what he wants is NOT an Orange?
Compromises everywhere re: his goals.
One thing comes immediately to mind: Bogner Shiva.
Compromises everywhere re: his goals.
One thing comes immediately to mind: Bogner Shiva.
Andrew Lamprecht
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Nope. He kinda went to them for the opposite of what they are really known for. Very cool amps, one of my favorite companies (even though I don't play dirty often), I just don't think he would be happy with one.
Nope. He kinda went to them for the opposite of what they are really known for. Very cool amps, one of my favorite companies (even though I don't play dirty often), I just don't think he would be happy with one.
RealtyViking
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If Fenders are not your thing, I would be thinking something more along the lines of a Rivera Quiana. Great cleans with ability to get into some decent drive.
I like playing through Orange amps, but clean is not what they do really well.
If Fenders are not your thing, I would be thinking something more along the lines of a Rivera Quiana. Great cleans with ability to get into some decent drive.
I like playing through Orange amps, but clean is not what they do really well.
mwalluk
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It's all comparatively speaking. From what I heard, the Orange cleans are nicer than what I can get from my VHT or a DSL. I do love cleans, but I'm a huge overdriven rocker which was one of the reason's i'm looking at Orange.
It's all comparatively speaking. From what I heard, the Orange cleans are nicer than what I can get from my VHT or a DSL. I do love cleans, but I'm a huge overdriven rocker which was one of the reason's i'm looking at Orange.
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